SBCOL NCAA 12 Discussion

[gschwendt]

Hey guys... with NCAA 12 getting set to release in about 3 weeks, wanted to begin discussions on what you would like to see with SBCOL.

For those of you that don't keep up with the news regularly, one of the key additions this year is Coaching Carousel which allows you to start as a Coordinator, and then work your way up through the ranks.

My question to you is, A) are you interested in participating in SBCOL this year and B) how (if at all) would you like to see the Coaching Carousel implemented?

I'll post my thoughts in a followup post but wanted to get everyone's opinions.

[JBHuskers]

A) Yes

B) I'd be fine if you set strict guidelines for moving.

[psuexv]

For those of you that don't keep up with the news regularly, one of the key additions this year is Coaching Carousel which allows you to start as a Coordinator, and then work your way up through the ranks.


They added coaching carousel this year? Awesome.....

[JBHuskers]

They added coaching carousel this year? Awesome.....

:fp:

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[fsuprime]

A) yes
B) I would not mind being a coordinator at all but it seems it would be hard to stay in the sbcol and i am not sure what type of guidelines we should use/have...also with the ability for u change our teams conference it adds another level of things we can do if everyone wanted? If anyone has a good vision on what we should do I would love to read it cause my brain is fried right now from studying to come up with one on my own :/

[psuexv]

A) yes please

B) Agree with JB, I'd like to see your thoughts on moving first. Personally I think there should be a time limit for moving up(to a larger school), say 3 years min. Just in case someone got lucky, had a great year and got a job offer at a big time school.

[psuexv]

my brain is fried right now from studying to come up with one on my own :/

I thought you graduated already???

[fsuprime]

have to get 3 licenses for my jerb, passed the florida life/health/annuity one (easiest) now have to pass the Series 7 exam and then the series 66

[psuexv]

Here's some quick thoughts I put together


Start as a coordinator at a C or lower school, not in any of the major conferences.

Split members between 2 – 3 conferences.

If a job offer comes in from an equally or lesser school in the 1st 3 years of the dynasty, you are free to move.

After 3 years you are able to accept any job that you please

Once users start to obtain jobs at higher level schools, conferences are adjusted so users are together within conferences.

Conferences will be evaluated “every year” to assure balance and competitiveness between users.

[crazemac]

A: yes

B: not sure how coaching carousel works, but if you start out as an off coordinator or d coordinator, will that not mess up the way we play? Like by staying with the team you start off with? Also I know it means you control only that side of the ball when playing. Does that include user games?

[gschwendt]

A: yes

B: not sure how coaching carousel works, but if you start out as an off coordinator or d coordinator, will that not mess up the way we play? Like by staying with the team you start off with? Also I know it means you control only that side of the ball when playing. Does that include user games?
Your first question is part of the equation... do we use coaching carousel (whether starting off as OC/DC or HC) or do we turn it off completely? (If I understood your question) As for user games, you'll control both sides of the ball.

[psuexv]

Couple other things to consider....

We start at lower schools but put a cap on the jobs you can accept, can't except a job at any A- or better schools for example

If we are able to go to larger schools, do you put a stipulation on when everyone "has" to move to a bigger school. If 10 users are already at larger schools, I wouldn't think we would want one or two people still coaching at smaller schools... for competitiveness obviously.

[JBHuskers]

Yeah cap jobs you can accept....if someone goes to a big school, they get matched up with other users with simliar team ratings...maybe no moves for the first two seasons then free reign?

[BsktbllJk]

A) Yes im in

B) Can you get fired in this mode?? I doubt anyone would but never know. Once you become HC do you get job offers as well?? Im no different either way...I think it could be a good cool feature

[psusnoop]

1. Yes I'm in

2. Still thinking myself. I'm just not sure how to properly implement this so that teams remain low tier or does that matter after a few years?

[JBHuskers]

A) Yes im in

B) Can you get fired in this mode?? I doubt anyone would but never know. Once you become HC do you get job offers as well?? Im no different either way...I think it could be a good cool feature

You can get fired (if your job security tanks and you don't meet goals)....however, you will be guaranteed a coordinator position no matter what, you'll never go w/o a job.

[crazemac]

Your first question is part of the equation... do we use coaching carousel (whether starting off as OC/DC or HC) or do we turn it off completely? (If I understood your question) As for user games, you'll control both sides of the ball.

I'd say turn it off, I think its mostly meant to be used in a personal dynasty of your own.

[psusnoop]

I'd say turn it off, I think its mostly meant to be used in a personal dynasty of your own.

For me it's up to the masses, but I don't think it is intended soley for personal dynasties. I think there is some fun to be had with it in online dynasties.

[psuexv]

For me it's up to the masses, but I don't think it is intended soley for personal dynasties. I think there is some fun to be had with it in online dynasties.

I think there's a ton of fun to be had online. Battling each other for job openings is going to be fun

[psusnoop]

I don't even want to think about it yet because the shear excitement that I may have going after PSU and knowing in each of our OD's you are going to be doing the same is going to be intense for 12!! I'm stoked at the possibilities.

[Coachdenz]

A) yes
B) dont matter

[gschwendt]

Let me know what you guys think but here's my line of thinking at this point...

Everyone must start as a Coordinator with either a 1-star team or a select set of 2-stars. All schools would then be lumped into one of two conferences (let's say SBC & WAC) each consisting of 12 schools, teams split evenly across divisions. From there, you can take other job offers, however it must be with a Non-BCS school, and then conferences would be shuffled around to make sure all user-controlled teams are in one of the two conferences. The highest position you can take is a Head Coach at a 3-star school... obviously if you build your school up above a 3-star, then more power to you.

All of that said, my personal intent would be to start as the ASU OC and stay with Arkansas State through the entirety of the dynasty, obviously eventually earning the HC position.


Additionally, since transfer players play way too large a part in success of a school, I'm trying to decide what kind of sanctions on transfers I'll implement... something along the lines of allowing only 1-2 incoming transfers per season. If you receive more than that, you have to reject the others. As well, I'm debating on looking at the OVR of those transfers... not sure if maybe not allow ANY over 80OVR or only allow one or something like that.

[psuexv]

I like it G. +1 for all of the above.

Are you thinking about putting a time limit on when you can accept your first offer?

[gschwendt]

I like it G. +1 for all of the above.

Are you thinking about putting a time limit on when you can accept your first offer?
I'm not sure... I can't decide if I want to require everyone remain with their job for at least two seasons or allow anyone to rise up as fast as they receive offers. I may just make it so that you can take your first new job whenever, however you must remain with that school for at least two seasons before taking another job.

As well, I'm debating on making it so that the two conference champions meet in a BCS bowl so that essentially every season there is a true SBCOL champion (save for the event of someone making the National Championship).


At this point, I'm very much open to suggestions on any of the stuff I've outlined.

[fsuprime]

all of it sounds very good to me. I like the idea of limited transfers and not being able to be a coordinator or head coach at a 3* school or less and non- bcs

[psuexv]

I'm not sure... I can't decide if I want to require everyone remain with their job for at least two seasons or allow anyone to rise up as fast as they receive offers. I may just make it so that you can take your first new job whenever, however you must remain with that school for at least two seasons before taking another job.

I guess it depends on what we want. If we want to try and develop some rivalries, then maybe make everyone play out their 1st contract before they can leave. Or if we want to have people move as fast as you can, you move whenever. It will all depend too on how easy it is to move, maybe the game won't offer anyone a job right away.


As well, I'm debating on making it so that the two conference champions meet in a BCS bowl so that essentially every season there is a true SBCOL champion (save for the event of someone making the National Championship). As long as someone wins the conference :D But yeah that would be cool

[psusnoop]

I like all of this thus far as well G, well said.

I think the transfers will be a good thing for this year as well.

[fsuprime]

i would not mind enacting a recruiting limit either but that wouldn't affect us until a few years into the OD most likely lol, it was hard enough to sign 15 or so players last year

[gschwendt]

i would not mind enacting a recruiting limit either but that wouldn't affect us until a few years into the OD most likely lol, it was hard enough to sign 15 or so players last year
What kind of limit did you have in mind? Like only one four star per season or or something like that?

[fsuprime]

i was thinking more along the lines of graduating seniors + juniors/transfers that leave

but again it is something that affects bigger programs really. I would not be opposed to maybe a cap of 3 four stars/5stars though, but I'd like to see a few recruiting classes when the game comes out as well

[BsktbllJk]

Why cap the 4 star?? Most people could not get those types any way...If someone wants to waste there time trying to recruit those players more power to them. I guess they gonna tell Boise st they can only sign certain players...I don't like that rule

[gschwendt]

Why cap the 4 star?? Most people could not get those types any way...If someone wants to waste there time trying to recruit those players more power to them. I guess they gonna tell Boise st they can only sign certain players...I don't like that rule
I wasn't necessarily suggesting that we do it, I was just trying to get a clarification from what fsuprime was suggesting. I don't think I actually implement it anyway since recruiting did have enough difficulty last year.

[gigemaggs99]

A) Yes
B) I'd like to play Offense AND Defense, would Head Coaching be an option?

[fsuprime]

I wasn't necessarily suggesting that we do it, I was just trying to get a clarification from what fsuprime was suggesting. I don't think I actually implement it anyway since recruiting did have enough difficulty last year.
just to repeat, i was basically spitballing and totally agree that with the recruiting changes over the last 2 iterations that I do not think we need restrictions on our SBCOL OD.

[psuexv]

G - I was thinking about something. You mentioned you wanted to do a BCS tie-in so the 2 conference winners get to meet in a bowl. Do you think this would give those 2 teams an unfair advantage as getting a BCS bowl usually helps your program and in turn would boost the coaches?

[souljahbill]

G - I was thinking about something. You mentioned you wanted to do a BCS tie-in so the 2 conference winners get to meet in a bowl. Do you think this would give those 2 teams an unfair advantage as getting a BCS bowl usually helps your program and in turn would boost the coaches?

Isn't that one of the perks of winning?


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[psuexv]

Isn't that one of the perks of winning?


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Yes and no. We are starting low and putting things in place to keep us semi low. Just seems a BCS game would contradict the overall theme.

[JeffHCross]

Winning a BCS bowl is one of the conditions for getting a chance at a 5th star, so it's probably reasonable to think that it might cause the "champions" to rise up the prestige rankings faster.

[BsktbllJk]

about how long will it take us to get the OD started?

just wondering as I will be out of town during some parts after the game comes out

[gschwendt]

about how long will it take us to get the OD started?

just wondering as I will be out of town during some parts after the game comes out
I imagine we'll probably have the opening kickoff around two weeks after release or thereabouts. When were you planning on going out of town?

[BsktbllJk]

will be back on 25th...

jw by no means hold up for me...was just wondering

[DariusLock]

If an open spot is available I want in this or TGT PS3 OD. Someone let me know when either is open haha.

[HairyDawg]

A) Yes
B) Yes

[JBHuskers]

Now that PS3 rosters are done....we should be ready to roll right?

[fsuprime]

im in michigan but have made the necessary moves to be ready whenever this OD starts :)

[gschwendt]

Even with rosters, we'll still probably hold off for a bit. I want to take a look at a few things, decide how I want to re-shuffle conferences, etc. We'll probably start team selection sometime this weekend or early next week.

[psusnoop]

Even with rosters, we'll still probably hold off for a bit. I want to take a look at a few things, decide how I want to re-shuffle conferences, etc. We'll probably start team selection sometime this weekend or early next week.

Good deal, that will work great. Gives everyone a chance to get comfortable with playbooks, and just gameplay in general.

[crazemac]

I still don't have the game yet. Prob be Friday before I get it thou.

[gschwendt]

I still don't have the game yet. Prob be Friday before I get it thou.
Not a problem.

[crazemac]

Check that. Just went ahead and bought it. Ready when everyone else is!

[psusnoop]

Check that. Just went ahead and bought it. Ready when everyone else is!

That's the spirit :D

[ryby6969]

Hey G, could you put me on the waiting list? With snoop not having time for Mid-Tier, I would not mind getting into a coordinator dynasty.

[gschwendt]

Sounds good guys. I'll take a look at who is returning and what kind of openings we'll have and see if we won't have room for possibly both Darius & Ryby.

[psusnoop]

Hey G, could you put me on the waiting list? With snoop not having time for Mid-Tier, I would not mind getting into a coordinator dynasty.

Sorry Ryby, things are going to be hectic here to start that is for sure I don't want to completely leverage myself or anyone else that may play in multiple ones. Once I see the pace for the 3 that I'm in here I'll be able to gauge things better.

[ryby6969]

Sorry Ryby, things are going to be hectic here to start that is for sure I don't want to completely leverage myself or anyone else that may play in multiple ones. Once I see the pace for the 3 that I'm in here I'll be able to gauge things better.

No worries man. I was hesitant to join to many because I was not sure what my school schedule would look like but I was able to get both of my classes as online so it should have some extra time.

[gschwendt]

Hey guys... sorry it's been really quiet on this lately. I'm hoping we can hear something about the super-sim issues that have been complained about so that we can figure out how we want to handle it.

That said, if we don't hear anything in the next day or so, I'll go ahead and start the team selection process on Friday.

[JBHuskers]

Hey guys... sorry it's been really quiet on this lately. I'm hoping we can hear something about the super-sim issues that have been complained about so that we can figure out how we want to handle it.

That said, if we don't hear anything in the next day or so, I'll go ahead and start the team selection process on Friday.

Sorry if I missed this, but what teams will we limit it to this season? Is it the same as always (Sun Belt, MAC, CUSA)?

[gschwendt]

Sorry if I missed this, but what teams will we limit it to this season? Is it the same as always (Sun Belt, MAC, CUSA)?
I still need to look a little bit further but likely only 1-star teams (assuming there are enough to go around). If there aren't enough, then a select few 2-start teams will be added.

[JBHuskers]

I still need to look a little bit further but likely only 1-star teams (assuming there are enough to go around). If there aren't enough, then a select few 2-start teams will be added.

If we aren't restricted to conference, there are plenty. If we are....and we're full up, we might be short a school or two.

[gschwendt]

If we aren't restricted to conference, there are plenty. If we are....and we're full up, we might be short a school or two.
I doubt we restrict it to specific conferences... will likely allow any 1-star team and then adjust the conferences from there to split the 12 teams among two conferences.

[psusnoop]

That sounds good to me. I'll be checking back to keep track of this.

How is the selection going to go? Draft?

[gschwendt]

That sounds good to me. I'll be checking back to keep track of this.

How is the selection going to go? Draft?Yeah, draft. In the past, it's been based on seniority... not certain I'll stick with that or might mix it up a bit or what. That said, I always give people that have a connection to a certain team first dibs (ie me with Arkansas State, Jake lives in Lafayette, etc.)

[psusnoop]

Yea no problem, I couldn't remember how we did it last year. I thought I remembered draft but didn't realize it was based on seniority. Either way doesn't matter to me, just looking forward to it.

[psuexv]

I think JB should be able to have Eastern Michigan since he has a sweet spot for them

[psusnoop]

I think JB should be able to have Eastern Michigan since he has a sweet spot for them

Lol yea real sweet :D

[gschwendt]

Just an FYI... I just realized that I'll have to wait until after the team selection draft in order to create the OD since we'll have to re-arrange the custom conferences.

[ryby6969]

Hey G, you can go ahead and take my name out. I am actually going to be coaching my son's team(if he makes weight) so I don't think I will have time until November for another OD. Didn't think I would be able to coach, so I will definitely take this opportunity.

[gschwendt]

Hey G, you can go ahead and take my name out. I am actually going to be coaching my son's team(if he makes weight) so I don't think I will have time until November for another OD. Didn't think I would be able to coach, so I will definitely take this opportunity.No problem. Enjoy it and when November comes around and you're interested, feel free to toss your hat into the ring.

[JBHuskers]

Since we are limiting it to a :3star: school, should we also announce an alma mater that is of a :3star: caliber?

[gschwendt]

Since we are limiting it to a :3star: school, should we also announce an alma mater that is of a :3star: caliber?
You don't have to announce it necessarily (though that probably wouldn't be a bad thing) but whatever alma mater you choose is up to you... if you want to choose a school you can never coach at, so be it :)

[JBHuskers]

You don't have to announce it necessarily (though that probably wouldn't be a bad thing) but whatever alma mater you choose is up to you... if you want to choose a school you can never coach at, so be it :)

You have a quick easy way to post :3star: schools so I can choose one to aim for?

[JBHuskers]

I've got my choice narrowed down to two teams so when Hairy chooses I'll be ready.

[gschwendt]

You have a quick easy way to post :3star: schools so I can choose one to aim for?
TEAM | PRESTIGE
Air Force | 3
Arizona | 3
Arizona State | 3
Boston College | 3
Cal | 3
Cincinnati | 3
Connecticut | 3
ECU | 3
Houston | 3
Illinois | 3
Kansas State | 3
Kentucky | 3
Louisville | 3
Maryland | 3
Mississippi State | 3
Navy | 3
NC State | 3
Nevada | 3
Northwestern | 3
Ole Miss | 3
Oregon State | 3
Pittsburgh | 3
Purdue | 3
Rutgers | 3
SMU | 3
Syracuse | 3
Texas Tech | 3
Tulsa | 3
UCF | 3
USF | 3
Virginia | 3
Washington | 3
Ball State | 2
Baylor | 2
Bowling Green | 2
Buffalo | 2
Central Michigan | 2
Colorado | 2
Colorado State | 2
Duke | 2
Fresno State | 2
Hawai’i | 2
Indiana | 2
Iowa State | 2
Kansas | 2
Louisiana Tech | 2
Marshall | 2
Miami Univ. | 2
Minnesota | 2
Northern Illinois | 2
Ohio | 2
Rice | 2
San Diego State | 2
Southern Miss | 2
Temple | 2
Toledo | 2
Troy | 2
UCLA | 2
UNLV | 2
UTEP | 2
Vanderbilt | 2
Wake Forest | 2
Wyoming | 2
Akron | 1
Arkansas State | 1
Army | 1
Eastern Michigan | 1
FIU | 1
Florida Atlantic | 1
Idaho | 1
Kent State | 1
Memphis | 1
Mid Tenn State | 1
New Mexico | 1
New Mexico State | 1
North Texas | 1
San Jose State | 1
Tulane | 1
UAB | 1
UL Lafayette | 1
UL Monroe | 1
Utah State | 1
Washington State | 1
Western Kentucky | 1
Western Michigan | 1

[JBHuskers]

TEAM | PRESTIGE
Air Force | 3
Arizona | 3
Arizona State | 3
Boston College | 3
Cal | 3
Cincinnati | 3
Connecticut | 3
ECU | 3
Houston | 3
Illinois | 3
Kansas State | 3
Kentucky | 3
Louisville | 3
Maryland | 3
Mississippi State | 3
Navy | 3
NC State | 3
Nevada | 3
Northwestern | 3
Ole Miss | 3
Oregon State | 3
Pittsburgh | 3
Purdue | 3
Rutgers | 3
SMU | 3
Syracuse | 3
Texas Tech | 3
Tulsa | 3
UCF | 3
USF | 3
Virginia | 3
Washington | 3
Ball State | 2
Baylor | 2
Bowling Green | 2
Buffalo | 2
Central Michigan | 2
Colorado | 2
Colorado State | 2
Duke | 2
Fresno State | 2
Hawai’i | 2
Indiana | 2
Iowa State | 2
Kansas | 2
Louisiana Tech | 2
Marshall | 2
Miami Univ. | 2
Minnesota | 2
Northern Illinois | 2
Ohio | 2
Rice | 2
San Diego State | 2
Southern Miss | 2
Temple | 2
Toledo | 2
Troy | 2
UCLA | 2
UNLV | 2
UTEP | 2
Vanderbilt | 2
Wake Forest | 2
Wyoming | 2
Akron | 1
Arkansas State | 1
Army | 1
Eastern Michigan | 1
FIU | 1
Florida Atlantic | 1
Idaho | 1
Kent State | 1
Memphis | 1
Mid Tenn State | 1
New Mexico | 1
New Mexico State | 1
North Texas | 1
San Jose State | 1
Tulane | 1
UAB | 1
UL Lafayette | 1
UL Monroe | 1
Utah State | 1
Washington State | 1
Western Kentucky | 1
Western Michigan | 1

Perfect. Thank you!

[JBHuskers]

Tommy if you wanna add an alma mater tab to the OD lineup once it's finalized, mine will be Syracuse.

[JBHuskers]

That works out perfect that I got Army, and my alma mater is Syracuse :up:

Can't wait to see the path I take from West Point, NY to Syracuse, NY.

[gschwendt]

All returning members have selected their team. I'm still waiting to hear back from DariusLock but straydawg, skipwondah, and ryby have all declined to join due to schedule and/or other ODs. There are a couple of others that I'll be reaching out to to see if they might be interested but for now we have at least one opening, possibly two.

If any TGT veterans read this and are interested in joining, let us know and we can probably work you in.

That said, if we do remain at 10 OD members, instead of doing conferences of 12 teams, I'll setup two conferences of 9 teams giving everyone 4 conference UvU games. Let me know any thoughts or feedback.

[fsuprime]

sounds good to me if we stay at 10 members

[HairyDawg]

sounds good lets start!!

[JBHuskers]

sounds good lets start!!

:nod: :up:

[gigemaggs99]

:nod: :up:

I 3rd the 2nd.

[JBHuskers]

I 3rd the 2nd.

While drinking a 5th?

[gschwendt]

Since DariusLock hasn't been on the boards in 10 days, I'm going to go ahead and plan on having 10 members. I'll wait until sometime early evening to set it up in case any TGT veterans come wandering through but right now the plan is to run with 10.


Right now in my head, the existing SBC teams will stay in the Sun Belt and CUSA will be re-arranged into a 9 team conference with the user-controlled teams added. The removed teams will be scattered around the country to fill in the holes. I'll try to balance CUSA to be the same competition level as the SBC.

As always, let me know any thoughts.

[gschwendt]

Here are my plans for the conference shuffle. After Season 1, the expected real life shuffle will also occur (TCU to Big East, WAC teams to MWC) leaving 8 in the WAC. Let me know any thoughts.

Team | OVR | OFF | DEF | Coach | Old Conf | New Conf
SMU | | | | CPU | CUSA | WAC
UCF | | | | CPU | CUSA | Big East
Houston | | | | CPU | CUSA | WAC
Tulsa | | | | CPU | CUSA | WAC
ECU | | | | CPU | CUSA | Big East
Southern Miss | | | | CPU | CUSA | WAC
Marshall | 77 | 73 | 79 | CPU | CUSA | CUSA
UTEP | 75 | 72 | 76 | CPU | CUSA | CUSA
UAB | 70 | 70 | 72 | coachdenz | CUSA | CUSA
Tulane | 69 | 70 | 69 | CPU | CUSA | CUSA
Rice | 67 | 70 | 64 | CPU | CUSA | CUSA
Memphis | 66 | 67 | 64 | HairyDawg | CUSA | CUSA
Army | 72 | 72 | 72 | JBHuskers | IND | CUSA
San Jose State | 63 | 63 | 64 | psusnoop | WAC | CUSA
Western Michigan | 78 | 79 | 78 | gigemaggs | MAC | CUSA
Arkansas State | 74 | 76 | 72 | gschwendt | SBC | SBC
FIU | 70 | 75 | 67 | fsuprime | SBC | SBC
Florida Atlantic | 69 | 69 | 67 | CPU | SBC | SBC
Middle Tennessee | 72 | 73 | 70 | CPU | SBC | SBC
North Texas | 69 | 72 | 66 | psuexv | SBC | SBC
Troy | 80 | 81 | 79 | CPU | SBC | SBC
UL Lafayette | 69 | 67 | 69 | bsktblljk | SBC | SBC
UL Monroe | 70 | 73 | 69 | crazemac | SBC | SBC
Western Kentucky | 69 | 70 | 66 | CPU | SBC | SBC

[JBHuskers]

SMU is going to win the WAC every year :D

[gschwendt]

SMU is going to win the WAC every year :D
Houston, Tulsa, and Southern Miss with them (plus LaTech) should give them some kind of competition.

[HairyDawg]

My goal is to be the HC @ Southern Miss. They"ve been too good for me to use the last 2 versions of the game. It'll be good to be back in Hattisburg.