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    2010 College Football Discussion

    Why not one of these?

    Ill start here is a good article from 3 different views on why or why not ND should join the Big 10

    http://cfn.scout.com/2/969536.html

    I personally dont like ND at all, and would love to see them go to the Big 10 and get handled for most of the year. After reading this I think its actually a toss-up if they should go or not. ND has all the perks of being an IND and seem to be a no brainer to go. But as points were made they would have something that the IND doesnt have, a reason to play each game week in and week out. Dont get me wrong they should but the schedule would actually mean something and they would be playing for a conference championship. IMO the IND should be for the service schools.

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    Ha... I was just about to start one of these to talk about the same topic. Big 10 guys, what are your thoughts on expansion? What teams would you like to see come over if they do expand? Nebraska a good fit?

    Personally, if they expand to more than 12 schools, and set off a chain reaction of conference changes, I want Nebraska to join. If the Big 12 can remain untouched, I wouldn't mind Nebraska staying but I don't think that'll happen. If the conferences do expand in the future the Big 12 has little potential as far as schools to snatch up. TCU, Houston, New Mexico St? Unimpressive to me at best & all would further shift the balance of the conference south which is not in the best interest of Nebraska. I am far more interested in seeing Nebraska in a conference with Ohio St, Michigan, Penn St, Notre Dame(though I doubt they join), Wisonsin & Iowa than stuck with Texas, Oklahoma & a bunch of also rans. Not to mention Dan Beebe (Big 12 commissioner) is the most idiotic, reactive and biased commissioner in the history of sports!

    To me Nebraska has to be forward thinking in this situation & think of the potential to be left holding the bag should other conferences expand significantly. Thoughts?

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    I don't like the idea of football conferences bigger than 12 teams. But if the Big 10 goes that route Nebraska would be great to have. I think Pitt would be a good addition and obviously Notre Dame would be good. Syracuse has tradition and an east coast presense (sp?) so they would be OK. I don't care about Mizzou or Rutgers or UConn if they come over.

    I do think there is some truth that Notre Dame could be exposed if they joined a real conference. I feel the same way about Boise St. That's a good program whose best chance to ever make the championship game is to simply play one tough ooc game and go 12-0. That team would be a good team in a conference but never a title contender.

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    As for Michigan, I hate Rich Rod. I hate his outdated spread offense where throwing the ball more than 10 yards downfield is only required when trailing. Oregon's offense is a lot better to watch. And going to a 3-3-5 in the Big 10 was dumb and remains dumb. I still don't understand it. I hope he gets fired.

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    I completely agree about Boise St... Winning one or two or even three games vs BCS opponents a year does not prove anything to me. The reason it's so tough to go undefeated in a BCS conference is that week after week you have to prepare for teams full of talent. Even Iowa State is loaded with guys that, for the most part, either couldn't fit into a recruiting class for a major power, or maybe just weren't tall enough, or something to that effect. When you play so many teams with talent back to back to back it's easy to have a bad week or make a mistake that costs you a game.

    Our loss to Iowa St this year was a perfect example of this. 6 or 7 turnovers 3 or 4 of which inside the 15 yd line. 95% of the time you lose that game in a BCS conference. We even had the best scoring defense in the country last year & sometimes that high talent level will get ya.

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    I agree with most, Nebraska, ND, PITT and Cuse would all be very good fits in the Big Ten. To me Nebraska just seems like a big 10 team. I dont agree with Boise and TCU being exposed if they played in a BCS conf. Yes thier confs are not the same as playing in the SEC or Big 12 or any BCS conf at that. But they have recruited very good players where they are now, but give them the extra edge of we play in "X" conf and you will get "X" number of games on TV. They will get more money and therfore facilities will be better and they will be able to recruit with the guys in "X" conf.

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    I think Boise and TCU could do well in a BCS conference but that means going 8-4 or 9-3 with possibly going 10-2 once in awhile. Winning conference championships year in and year out would be a pipe dream for them in the Big 12 or PAC 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texacotea View Post
    But they have recruited very good players where they are now, but give them the extra edge of we play in "X" conf and you will get "X" number of games on TV. They will get more money and therfore facilities will be better and they will be able to recruit with the guys in "X" conf.
    I have no doubt that's true. But I don't think their current rosters (or those from the last 4-5 years) would consistently win 9-10+ games a year in a BCS conference. Without the wins they don't get those high caliber players. It's a double edged sword. It would definitely be interesting to see & I'd love to see em prove me wrong. I just hate when they point at the 1 or 2 games per year they win agains BCS level talent & say it's proof they could hack it in a BCS conference. They are impressive wins, no doubt, but it's the consistently high level of competition that costs a lot of great teams a couple games a year in a top notch conference.

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    Seems like there are a quite a few Nebraska fans here. I've even thought about using them in NCAA 11 but they will probably be too good to start out with. Anyways, here was an older article on the fans of Nebraska and how classy they are. I hope that never changes.

    http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.d...B_OEM_ID=100)/

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    Classic college football is on ESPN Classic and OU and OSU featuring Barry Sanders is on now

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    As a Nebraska fan, I'm not sure I like joining the Big 10 if they go the super-conference (14+ teams) route. That would spell the end of our quasi-rivalries with KSU & CU and a new foe (Iowa?) would have to be our day after Thanksgiving foe if that tradition continued. The continuous games played streak vs. Kansas would end and Missouri would be our lone 'rivalry' left. Of course new ones would likely be established in the Big 10, but that kind of thing takes time. It also could hurt the recruiting connections in Texas and put NU into the stereotypical '3 yards and a cloud of dust' Big 10. NU hasn't had strong recruiting ties on the east coast since the mid-90s. I'm probably too old school in my thinking - to me, I prefer conferences like the old Big 8 and Pac-10 now where you play every conference foe. Doesn't leave any doubts on who is #1, but we won't see that again in the age of conference championship games.

    There was a good conversation on CFB Live the other day on Notre Dame and the Big 10. Should the Big 10 go to 14/16 teams, maybe they add extra conference games to the schedule and that keeps ND from having a schedule full of B10 teams like they do now. Granted, they could probably then fill up the schedule with patsies to inflate their record, but they felt ND might feel the pinch to join the B10 or maybe even the Big East so they are on the inside of the super-conference bubble which may be coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwizzy View Post
    Big 10 guys, what are your thoughts on expansion? What teams would you like to see come over if they do expand? Nebraska a good fit?
    If it's just 12, it's Notre Dame, Texas, or bust. I see no reason to expand to 12 if we're not adding the Irish or the Longhorns. Nebraska is a really good candidate, but just doesn't quite bring enough to justify all the other issues we'd have to think about with 12 (divisions, CCG, etc).

    Now, if we go to 16 like people are saying, I'd like to see Notre Dame, Nebraska, Rutgers, Missouri, and ... Syracuse is a logical choice for #5, but so is Pitt. And I'd still, personally, like to see Texas in the Big 10. But that's all for purely selfish reasons, I can't see it actually happening.

    I've been reading Frank the Tank's blog since all of this expansion talk really blew up, and I really like his piece on the possible 16-team combinations. That's partly due to being a Star Wars geek and loving his metaphors of the "Death Star Conference". He later suggested the possiblity of a Super Death Star Conference consisting of adding Notre Dame, Texas, Texas A&M, Syracuse and Nebraska.

    It would never happen. Ever. But I would love it.

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    Nebraska don't leave us!!! Haha, if Nebraska leaves, the Big 12 suddenly becomes something of a one-sided joke (even MORE so than it has been). The Big 10 could benefit from expansion and while I think they'd definitely do well with Nebraska, I just don't like the ramifications for the Big 12.

    I don't think it'd be good for college football as a whole. A move like that would have the ramifications of 3 "Super Conferences". The SEC, Big 10 (+3), and an Pac 10/Big 12 hybrid (made to catch up). Anything even close to this would dilute college football, bring an end to rivalries, and culminating in a regular season that means less and less to fans and teams.

    That's just my perspective, and while I'm not so optimistic, it sure would be interesting!

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    No matter who they choose, I believe, if any teams from the Big 12 and/or Big East join the Big Ten, the conference that was left is screwed. The Big 12 is pretty much in death throes right now ... no matter who we bring from the Big 12, if anyone, it's going to have major ramifications for the Big 12.

    Also, cdj, I think if anyone from the Big 12 is going to fit in the "3 yards and a cloud" Big Ten, it's Nebraska. Plus, tradition and all that. Yes, you'll lose your rivalries (and I love Neb/Colo, so I hate that), but Big Ten fans will embrace Nebraska, in my opinion.

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    The one drawback I read about with Nebraska is that their lower academic standards will put the other Big 10 schools at a disadvantage in recruiting. Thoughts on that?

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    Also, I just heard that Michigan is supposed to announce some self-imposed sanctions on May 24.

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    I can't believe people are saying Texas. That is by far the dumbest thing. People have to keep in mind this isn't just for football this is for other sports and the distance between other big ten schools and Texas is quite far.

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    Yes, self-imposed sanctions. Completely taking the high road on this one and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves to what goes on in college football.

    I'm not sure I'm a big fan of super-conference expansion. Not a big fan of impacting the OSU/UM rivalry game, so if there were different divisions in the B10, I think those two teams should be in the same division so that they always play with no chance of rematch on the conference championship game because that would water down the rivalry IMO. With that in mind, a BIG addition would need to be added to the other division to equal things out, so you don't have the B12's issue of the weak north and the strong south divisions. I mean, who really cares about the north division in the B12? Besides an upset of the south every now and then in the conf champ game, nobody.

    I like Nebraska for the name and tradition it would bring to the B10, plus their fans are very cool and fun in my limited experience with them at the Alamo Bowl a couple years back. Scott Frost's mom is an insult to their fanbase, I must add.
    I'd be fine with PITT. I like 'Cuse well enough, but I don't think they bring enough to the table. Same with Rutgers. Mizzou? Eh, except you know they bring a big TV market so the commishes of various conferences are always looking at those dollars. Texas? Wow, that would be impressive and great to bring that money and exposure aboard the B10, but geographically that is tough on athletes, etc. I mean, could you imagine the basketball teams traveling that far for what amounts to a 2 hour game?

    Most of the teams being mentioned are mid-level additions, so it comes down to which ones spark more TV money or which might be a powerhouse in the major sports to make the conference stronger.

    I won't lie, I haven't been doing a lot of reading on this stuff.

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    Agreed. Not to mention Texas wouldn't take a step down to the Big 10 for no reason. No offense to the Big 10, but if you're Texas, you're not going to move from a conference where you'll always have a chance to win and it's relatively competitive to a conference where it's much more competitive, and a conference that often doesn't get its due justice with regard to the strength of its teams.

    The only way Texas is moving is if it's reactionary to Nebraska leaving, and it won't be to the Big 10... Hello SEC, or Hello Pac 10.

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    relatively competitive to a conference where it's much more competitive, and a conference that often doesn't get its due justice with regard to the strength of its teams.
    Wow, I'm not used to seeing that from people outside the B10 area. Usually it is everyone over the past several years clamoring how the B10 sucks compared to other confs. LOL.

    Texas is a monster money-wise. While it would be a great strength of conference move and would be another step up TV-wise for exposure for UT, I can't see Texas being viable.
    The Pac10 needs Texas more than the SEC or B10, really. It would do them the greatest good in giving them more exposure to the East Coast and middle of the country which they sorely need.

    The thing I don't like......if these super-confs come to be, all the little guys are left out in the cold more than they are now, and they are even less likely to be able to get their foot in the big boys' door for the big bowls, i.e. money.

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