This is _exactly_ the kind of thing I'm going to be looking for tonight. That sounds like my dream CPB right thereOriginally Posted by PDuncanOSU
Does anyone know ifhas this formation in their playbook? A lot of the pass plays I like are used in the Air Raid playbooks. Any formation I can find that has a lot of read-option plays, play-action off of those, and air-raid passes such as Shallow Cross, Stick, and Spot will be something I want in my CPB.
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Spent some time digging into shotgun formations for my own CPB tonight to try to find this same combination. Here's the breakdown of the notes I took...Does anyone know if
First of all, I wouldn't consider myself an expert in either the Spread Option or the Air Raid. So if there are plays with "like-minded concepts" that I've concluded that folks disagree with, I'd love to hear it
Here's a brief look at the 11 Personnel and 10 Personnel formations I went through to find ones I liked to combine Spread Option flavors with Air Raid out of the same look/feel/personnel. I didn't include any trips formations. I also didn't include any 12 personnel either. I still haven't decided whether I'm going to include the "regular run" plays or just do runs off of options. I also wish there were more triple options in formations with air raid passes
Currently, I may start with 6 formations, 4 10 Personnel formations (Shotgun: Normal Y-Slot, Shotgun: Spread, Shotgun: Spread Flex, and Shotgun: Spread Offset) and 2 11 Personnel formations (Shotgun: Normal and Shotgun: Normal HB WK).
Formations I ruled out for my own use.
- Shotgun: Normal Flex (11 Personnel). Not enough motion, options, or play actions for my liking.
- Shotgun: Normal Flex Wk (11 Personnel). Not enough motion, options, or air raid for my liking.
- Shotgun: Normal Offset (11 Personnel). Not enough air raid.
- Shotgun: Normal Wing TE (11 Personnel). Not enough motion or air raid for my liking.
- Shotgun: Normal Wing Wk (11 Personnel). Not enough motion or air raid for my liking.
- Shotgun: Spread 4WR (10 Personnel). Not enough motion or air raid plays.
- Shotgun: Spread Flex Wk (10 Personnel). Not enough motion for my taste. Will likely not use this.
- Shotgun: Flanker Close (10 Personnel). Lack of good options and minimal air raid.
- Shotgun: Flank Close Wk (10 Personnel). Lack of good options and minimal air raid.
- Shotgun: Wing Trio Wk (11 Personnel). Not enough motion or air raid for me.
Shotgun: Normal (11 Personnel)
Regular Runs
- 45 Quick Base (pulling guard)
- HB Counter
- HB Mid Draw
- HB Off Tackle
Options
- Read Option
- Counter Read Option
- Dart Read Option (Pulling Guard)
- Inverted Veer
- Midline Read Option
- Speed Option
WR Motion
- Jet Sweep
- Load Option
- Motion WR Option
- Motion Tr Option Lt
- Shovel Option
Play Action
- Load Option Pass (WR motion)
- Motion Option Pass
- PA FL Screen
- PA Inverted Veer
- PA Jet Sweep
- PA SE Screen
- PA Seams (basically Four Verticals from PA, sweet!)
Screens
- HB Slip Screen
- Fake Screen Wheel
- PA FL Screen
- PA SE Screen
Air Raid
- Four Verticals
- Y Shallow Cross
- Z Spot (kind of a Y stick type play, though I don't like that it's based on motion that only a single other play uses)
- Y Corner Post
- Shark HB Wheel (has a shallow crossing mechanic, though the deep crosser is perhaps too deep, haven't run it yet)
- Mesh
- Drag Under (looks very much like a Z Shallow Cross type of play)
Shotgun: Normal HB WK (11 Personnel). I LOVE the look of this formation. Has the amazing Buck Read Option (two pulling guards to strong side and QB to weak on read option). And very nice mix of options, play actions, air raid plays.
Regular Runs
- Buck Sweep
- HB Base (pulling guard)
- HB Counter
- HB Mid Draw
- HB Off Tackle
Options
- Buck Read Option (I LOVE this play
- Dart Read Option (pulling guard)
- Inverted Veer
- Midline Read Option
- Read Option
- Shovel Option (TE is one of the pitch men, so this will likely require practice to get the feel right of when to pitch to TE)
- Speed Option
Motion
- Not Enough
- Jet Sweep (no other plays off this motion in this formation, so may not use it)
Play Action
- PA Bubble
- PA Inverted Veer
- PA Read
Screens
- WR Mid Screen
- FL Screen (not off PA)
- HB Slip Screen
Air Raid
- Four Verticals
- H Shallow Cross
- H Stick
- Mesh
- X Shallow Cross
- Corner - Threat (this may be a stretch as far as Air Raid, but it has a Smash/Sail concept on the right side, so including it)
- Double Cross (Has a shallow cross type between TE and WR. But also has a "pick point" like a mesh with the RB and TE)
Other Plays
- Strike HB Seam (looks to be a good play for an audible against Cover 2)
Shotgun: Normal Y-Flex (10 Personnel)
Regular Runs
- HB Counter
- HB Off Tackle
- HB Quick Base (Off Tackle w/ pulling guard)
- HB Draw
Options
- Inverted Veer
- Midline Read Option
- Read Option
- Speed Option
Motion
- Jet Sweep
Play Action
- PA FL Screen
- PA Inverted Veer
- PA Jet Sweep
- PA Read
Screens
- HB Slip Screen
- PA FL Screen
- WR Mid Screen
Air Raid
- Four Verticals
- H Shallow Cross
- Mesh
- Y Corner
- Y Cross Flood
- Y Shallow Cross
- Y Stick
- Z Shallow Cross
- Z Spot
- Smash HB Check
Shotgun: Normal Y-Slot (10 Personnel)
Regular Runs
- 45 Quick Base (pulling guard)
- HB Counter
- HB Power (uses WR on Jet Sweep motion as a blocker with pulling guard; looks pretty cool)
- HB Zone
- HB Draw
- Fk Bubble Draw
- HB Mid Draw
Options
- Inverted Veer
- Load Option
- Read Option
- Read Option Mtn (off beginning of Jet Sweep WR motion)
- Speed Option
- Speed Option Mtn (off beginning of Jet Sweep WR motion)
Motion
- Jet Sweep (minor annoyance: many of the other plays in this formation building off this WR motion are flipped to be based on the WR on the other side)
Play Action
- Load Option Pass
- PA Inverted Veer
- PA Jet Sweep
- PA Read
- PA SE Screen
- PA WR In (PA off of Jet Sweep motion)
Screens
- Bubble Screens
- HB Mid Screen
- HB Slip Screen
- PA SE Screen
- WR Mid Screen
Air Raid
- Four Verticals
- Smash
- X Shallow Cross
- Y Shallow Cross
- Y Stick
- Curls Y-Stick
- Z Shallow
- FL Hook (Smash concept on right side)
Shotgun: Spread (10 Personnel)
Regular Runs
- 45 Quick Base (pulling guard)
- HB Counter (with pulling guard)
- HB Direct
- HB Sweep
- HB Draw
- HB Mid Draw
Options
- Cntr Read Option (pulling guard and tackle to side of counter; looks wicked)
- Inverted Veer
- Load Option (with WR motion)
- Midline Read Option
- Motion WR Option
- QB Slot Option (Read option with WR as pitch man it looks like)
- Read Option
- Speed Option
- Load Option (WR motion)
- Motion WR Option
Motion
- Jet Sweep
- Load Option
- Load Option Pass
- Motion WR Option
Play Action
- PA Bubble
- PA Inverted Veer
- PA Jet Sweep
- PA Read
- PA SE Screen
Screens
- HB Mid Screen
- HB Slip Screen
- PA SE Screen
- WR Mid Screen
Air Raid
- Four Verticals
- H Shallow Cross
- Y Cross
- Y Shallow Cross
- Y Stick
- Z Shallow Cross
- Smash Corners
- FL Hook (Smash concept)
Shotgun: Spread Flex (10 Personnel)
Regular Runs
- HB Dive
- HB Sweep
- HB Draw
Options
- Load Option (WR motion)
- Motion WR Option (WR motion)
- QB Slot Option (released WR is pitch man)
- Read Option
- Shovel Option Rt
- Speed Option
Motion
- Jet Sweep
- Load Option
- Load Option Pass
- Motion Option Pass
- Motion WR Option
- Mtn Inside Zone
- Mtn PA Swing
Play Action
- Mtn PA Swing (WR motion)
- PA FL Screen
- PA Jet Sweep
- PA Read
Screens
- HB Slip Screen
- PA FL Screen
- WR Mid Screen
Air Raid
- Four Verticals
- Mesh
- Y Corner
- Y Cross Flood
- Y Shallow Cross
- Y Stick
- Z Shallow Cross
- Z Spot
- Smash Corners
- Smash HB Check
Shotgun: Spread Offset (10 Personnel). Small formation but looks to have a little of everything
Run Plays
- 0 1 Trap (pulling guard to seal outside)
- Inside Zone
- HB Draw
Options
- QB Slot Option
- Read Option
- Shovel Option Rt
- Veer Option (don't like the pre-snap HB motion that isn't used on other plays, wouuld be a giveaway)
- Zone Speed Option
Motion
- Jet Sweep
- Mtn Inside Zone
- Mtn PA Swing
- Mtn Tr Option Lt (yay, triple option!)
- Mtn Tr Option Rt (yay, triple option!)
Play Action
- Mtn PA Swing
- PA Bubble
- PA SE Screen
- PA Veer
- PA Veer Cross
Screens
- HB Slip Screen
Air Raid
- Four Verticals
- Y Shallow Cross
- Y Stick
- Smash Corners
Other Plays
- Fake Bubble Slant (constraint play)
- Fake Screen Wheel (constraint play)
Shotgun: Spread Flex Wk (10 Personnel). Not enough motion for my taste. Will likely not use this.
Run Plays
- HB Base (pulling guard)
- HB Counter (pulling guard)
- HB Mid Draw
- HB Off Tackle
- HB Sweep (not sure if I'd use this as it looks like Read Option is same but with ability to keep the ball)
Options
- Cake Read Option (pulling guard)
- Inverted Veer
- Midline Read Option
- QB Slot Option
- Read Option
- Speed Option
Motion
- Jet Sweep
Play Action
- PA Bubble
- PA Inverted Veer
- PA Read
- PA SE Screen
Screens
- HB Slip Screen
- PA SE Screen
- WR Mid Screen
Air Raid
- Four Verticals
- H Shallow Cross
- H Stick
- X Shallow Cross
- Y Corner
- Y Stick
- Smash Corners
- FL Hook (Smash concept on right)
Shotgun: Spread HB WK (10 Personnel). Even though there are _no_ motion plays in this formation it still looks like a solid formation with some good read options (like Cntr Read, G Trap, T Trap, etc.). Combination of no motion plays and missing some Air Raid concepts (like Y Cross) will likely have this one not make my cut.
Run Plays
- HB Base (pulling guard)
- HB Counter (pulling guard)
- HB Gut
- HB Off Tackle
- HB Sweep
- HB Mid Draw
Options
- Cake Read Option (pulling guard)
- Cntr Read Option (pulling guard and tackle)
- G Trap Read Option (pulling guard to seal off outside)
- Inverted Veer
- Midline Read Option
- QB Slot Option
- Read Option
- Speed Option
- T Trap Read Option (pulling tackle to seal off outside)
Play Action
- PA Bubble
- PA Inverted Veer
- PA Read
- PA SE Screen
Screens
- Double Screen
- HB Slip Screen
- PA SE Screen
- WR Mid Screen
Air Raid
- Four Verticals
- H Shallow Cross
- H Stick
- X Shallow Cross
- Y Corner
- Y Stick
- Smash Corners
- FL Hook (Smash concept on right)
I hope this helps some other folks wanting to create their own CPB
Last edited by jolson88; 07-11-2013 at 12:43 AM.
You can recreate the Y Cross in this playbook by choosing the PA Read. Hot route X (using the pic below for WR designations) to a streak, Y to your choice, and the RB to a swing. Hot routing the RB will cancel the play action. So you can make this:
Look like this:
The exception being the RB is on the weak side.
Last edited by Marlowe; 07-11-2013 at 02:40 AM.
I've been working on my custom playbook and am still tinkering with it. Once Oneback has his playbook site up and running I will share my playbook there. My goal is to keep the playbook as simple as possible while still being able to attack any area of the field. I hope to have 10, 11, 12, 20, and 21 personnel in the playbook and each personnel group will have the same 15 or so play concepts. This way I can recruit the best players interested in my school regardless of position, use the personnel that gives me the best matchups each game and still be running the same basic scheme.This is _exactly_ the kind of thing I'm going to be looking for tonight. That sounds like my dream CPB right there
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Last edited by Rcktfan916; 07-21-2013 at 03:43 PM.
FWIW both Normal Y-Flex and Normal Y-Slot are 11 personnel, not 10 (hence the "Normal"). The TE lines up in the slot instead of on the line, but it's obviously still 11 personnel (and if you do any personnel based play calling, like from the no huddle, it'll be grouped with 11 formations, not 10, even if you package sub a WR into the TE slot).
When I run a read-option or inverted-veer play against the CPU defense they seem to take the HB almost every time. I ended up having a my QB as my leading rusher and winning the heisman in an online-dynasty. The CPU defense never adjusted, just kept taking the HB nearly every play, all season. I just took the job at Oregon and want to make sure I get De'Anthony Thomas the ball. I'm going through Oregon's base playbook now for some ideas.
Anyone have some play suggestions? Keep in mind I like to have a playaction pass of as many of my run/option plays as possible.
Last edited by PDuncanOSU; 08-20-2013 at 02:50 PM.
Can anyone tell me if there is a Midline Read Option play with a play-action pass that isn't a screen?
I've got the offense I think I'm going to run up at simsports
Power Spread
I put some of the triple-option passes in because I like to have a playaction pass off of each of my run plays. I haven't used these before though, so I'm going to have to get into practice mode a bit to see if/how they work.
Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions on the triple-option passes or my playbook in general?
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