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CLW
10-10-2012, 04:04 PM
Midnight Madness kicks off the new college hoops season Friday. Should be another exciting season with :Indiana: :Louisville: being the heavy favorites to start the season with :Kentucky:'s next crop of one and done thugs arriving for their 1/2 semester of "academics"

NatureBoy
10-18-2012, 11:07 PM
http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/3fWjr4wT80fGAm6NCJza3g--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusncaabexperts/ua02_vilwq.0_standard_709.0.jpg

If the alternate jerseys Maryland will be wearing against Kentucky on Nov. 9 appear to be merely the latest abominable example of college basketball's newfound infatuation with gray, then take a closer look.


Those aren't just basic ugly gray jerseys. They're ugly gray jerseys with a textured pattern meant to resemble wool.

Since the season-opening Kentucky matchup will be held at the brand-new Barclays Center in Brooklyn, Under Armour chose the unusual look to honor the Brooklyn Dodgers. The faux-wool jersey is supposed to be reminiscent of 1950s-style baseball uniforms, while the Maryland script is both something the Terps have worn previously and another homage to baseball.

"The expectation is for teams to come out in unique uniforms for big games," Adam Clement, Under Armour's lead designer for uniforms, said in a statement. "We worked with the school to do something that showed the appreciation for sports in Brooklyn."

The gray jerseys are just one of a myriad of new looks Maryland will be unveiling next season. Expect the Terps to also don a "Pride" basketball jersey modeled after the state flag and reminiscent of the ones the football program wore during the 2011 season.

Whereas the preliminary design of the Pride jerseys appears to be bold yet tasteful, these Brooklyn jerseys don't hold the same appeal.

First, like most gray jerseys, they're not exactly aesthetically pleasing. And secondly, why should Maryland wear a jersey that honors the Brooklyn Dodgers? If the Terps ever play in Montreal, will they bring back the Expos logo?

Thankfully, the jerseys are merely a one-time-only experiment. As one commenter on the Maryland-themed site, Testudo Times, said, "They are ugly as sin and the University of Maryland basketball is paying homage to a Brooklyn baseball team. I don't get it."

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/maryland-wear-faux-wool-jerseys-against-kentucky-honor-175421265--ncaab.html

CLW
10-19-2012, 09:45 AM
http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/3fWjr4wT80fGAm6NCJza3g--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusncaabexperts/ua02_vilwq.0_standard_709.0.jpg

If the alternate jerseys Maryland will be wearing against Kentucky on Nov. 9 appear to be merely the latest abominable example of college basketball's newfound infatuation with gray, then take a closer look.


Those aren't just basic ugly gray jerseys. They're ugly gray jerseys with a textured pattern meant to resemble wool.

Since the season-opening Kentucky matchup will be held at the brand-new Barclays Center in Brooklyn, Under Armour chose the unusual look to honor the Brooklyn Dodgers. The faux-wool jersey is supposed to be reminiscent of 1950s-style baseball uniforms, while the Maryland script is both something the Terps have worn previously and another homage to baseball.

"The expectation is for teams to come out in unique uniforms for big games," Adam Clement, Under Armour's lead designer for uniforms, said in a statement. "We worked with the school to do something that showed the appreciation for sports in Brooklyn."

The gray jerseys are just one of a myriad of new looks Maryland will be unveiling next season. Expect the Terps to also don a "Pride" basketball jersey modeled after the state flag and reminiscent of the ones the football program wore during the 2011 season.

Whereas the preliminary design of the Pride jerseys appears to be bold yet tasteful, these Brooklyn jerseys don't hold the same appeal.

First, like most gray jerseys, they're not exactly aesthetically pleasing. And secondly, why should Maryland wear a jersey that honors the Brooklyn Dodgers? If the Terps ever play in Montreal, will they bring back the Expos logo?

Thankfully, the jerseys are merely a one-time-only experiment. As one commenter on the Maryland-themed site, Testudo Times, said, "They are ugly as sin and the University of Maryland basketball is paying homage to a Brooklyn baseball team. I don't get it."

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/maryland-wear-faux-wool-jerseys-against-kentucky-honor-175421265--ncaab.html

Its an Under Armour response to what Nike did last year to non-Nike schools with the "Platinum" line for :Duke: :Kentucky: etc... that wore "platinum" jerseys against non-Nike schools for 1 game.

CLW
10-19-2012, 09:46 AM
Pre-Season Coaches Poll out



RK
TEAM
RECORD
PTS


1
Indiana (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/84/indiana-hoosiers) (21)
0-0
761


2
Louisville (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/97/louisville-cardinals) (5)
0-0
738


3
Kentucky (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/96/kentucky-wildcats) (5)
0-0
718


4
Ohio State (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/194/ohio-state-buckeyes)
0-0
617


5
Michigan (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/130/michigan-wolverines)
0-0
605


6
North Carolina State (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/152/north-carolina-state-wolfpack)
0-0
581


7
Kansas (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/2305/kansas-jayhawks)
0-0
563


8
Duke (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/150/duke-blue-devils)
0-0
516


9
Syracuse (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/183/syracuse-orange)
0-0
502


10
Florida (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/57/florida-gators)
0-0
422


11
Arizona (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/12/arizona-wildcats)
0-0
411


12
North Carolina (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/153/north-carolina-tar-heels)
0-0
401


13
UCLA (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/26/ucla-bruins)
0-0
396


14
Michigan State (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/127/michigan-state-spartans)
0-0
391


15
Creighton (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/156/creighton-bluejays)
0-0
325


16
Memphis (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/235/memphis-tigers)
0-0
307


17
Missouri (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/142/missouri-tigers)
0-0
289


18
Baylor (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/239/baylor-bears)
0-0
266


19
UNLV (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/2439/unlv-rebels)
0-0
203


20
San Diego State (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/21/san-diego-state-aztecs)
0-0
196


21
Wisconsin (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/275/wisconsin-badgers)
0-0
191


22
Gonzaga (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/2250/gonzaga-bulldogs)
0-0
166


23
Notre Dame (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/87/notre-dame-fighting-irish)
0-0
122


24
Florida State (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/52/florida-state-seminoles)
0-0
61


24
Texas (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/251/texas-longhorns)
0-0
61





Others receiving votes: Saint Louis 58, Virginia Commonwealth 40, Cincinnati 33, Murray State 30, Kansas State 13, Saint Mary's 11, New Mexico 10, Tennessee 10, Minnesota 9, Pittsburgh 9, Marquette 8, Stanford 7, Oklahoma State 6, Butler 6, Colorado State 4, Middle Tennessee 3, Saint Joseph's 2, Drexel 2, Georgia 2, Miami (FL) 2, Marshall 1

SmoothPancakes
10-19-2012, 10:53 AM
Christ, we already have to deal with this shit in football, now this shit in basketball too? Fuck Nike. Fuck Under Armour.

souljahbill
10-19-2012, 01:28 PM
I see nothing wrong with that jersey. It looks perfectly fine to me.

I don't get the Brooklyn Dodgers connection though.

CLW
10-29-2012, 02:41 PM
AP and Coaches Polls are now both out



AP Top 25


RK
TEAM
RECORD
PTS


1
Indiana (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/84/indiana-hoosiers) (43)
0-0
1,592


2
Louisville (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/97/louisville-cardinals) (20)
0-0
1,568


3
Kentucky (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/96/kentucky-wildcats) (2)
0-0
1,453


4
Ohio State (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/194/ohio-state-buckeyes)
0-0
1,292


5
Michigan (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/130/michigan-wolverines)
0-0
1,290


6
North Carolina State (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/152/north-carolina-state-wolfpack)
0-0
1,270


7
Kansas (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/2305/kansas-jayhawks)
0-0
1,210


8
Duke (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/150/duke-blue-devils)
0-0
1,094


9
Syracuse (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/183/syracuse-orange)
0-0
1,062


10
Florida (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/57/florida-gators)
0-0
936


11
North Carolina (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/153/north-carolina-tar-heels)
0-0
904


12
Arizona (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/12/arizona-wildcats)
0-0
902


13
UCLA (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/26/ucla-bruins)
0-0
840


14
Michigan State (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/127/michigan-state-spartans)
0-0
789


15
Missouri (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/142/missouri-tigers)
0-0
664


16
Creighton (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/156/creighton-bluejays)
0-0
622


17
Memphis (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/235/memphis-tigers)
0-0
539


18
UNLV (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/2439/unlv-rebels)
0-0
488


19
Baylor (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/239/baylor-bears)
0-0
486


20
San Diego State (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/21/san-diego-state-aztecs)
0-0
463


21
Gonzaga (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/2250/gonzaga-bulldogs)
0-0
384


22
Notre Dame (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/87/notre-dame-fighting-irish)
0-0
297


23
Wisconsin (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/275/wisconsin-badgers)
0-0
285


24
Cincinnati (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/2132/cincinnati-bearcats)
0-0
120


25
Florida State (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/52/florida-state-seminoles)
0-0
101





Others receiving votes: Murray State 59, Virginia Commonwealth 58, Texas 46, Saint Louis 46, Minnesota 40, Butler 33, Pittsburgh 32, Saint Joseph's 25, Marquette 23, Tennessee 15, Oklahoma State 14, Kansas State 12, Georgetown 9, New Mexico 9, Ohio 9, Miami (FL) 8, Saint Mary's 6, West Virginia 6, Davidson 5, Drexel 5, Northern Iowa 5, Valparaiso 3, Stanford 2, Lehigh 2, Colorado State 1, Oral Roberts 1



Dropped from rankings: Marquette 11, Murray State 12, Georgetown 15, Wichita State 18, Vanderbilt 20, New Mexico 21, Saint Mary's 24



[*=right]Complete Rankings » (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings/_/poll/1)







USA Today Coaches Poll


RK
TEAM
RECORD
PTS


1
Indiana (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/84/indiana-hoosiers) (21)
0-0
761


2
Louisville (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/97/louisville-cardinals) (5)
0-0
738


3
Kentucky (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/96/kentucky-wildcats) (5)
0-0
718


4
Ohio State (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/194/ohio-state-buckeyes)
0-0
617


5
Michigan (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/130/michigan-wolverines)
0-0
605


6
North Carolina State (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/152/north-carolina-state-wolfpack)
0-0
581


7
Kansas (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/2305/kansas-jayhawks)
0-0
563


8
Duke (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/150/duke-blue-devils)
0-0
516


9
Syracuse (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/183/syracuse-orange)
0-0
502


10
Florida (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/57/florida-gators)
0-0
422


11
Arizona (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/12/arizona-wildcats)
0-0
411


12
North Carolina (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/153/north-carolina-tar-heels)
0-0
401


13
UCLA (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/26/ucla-bruins)
0-0
396


14
Michigan State (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/127/michigan-state-spartans)
0-0
391


15
Creighton (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/156/creighton-bluejays)
0-0
325


16
Memphis (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/235/memphis-tigers)
0-0
307


17
Missouri (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/142/missouri-tigers)
0-0
289


18
Baylor (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/239/baylor-bears)
0-0
266


19
UNLV (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/2439/unlv-rebels)
0-0
203


20
San Diego State (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/21/san-diego-state-aztecs)
0-0
196


21
Wisconsin (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/275/wisconsin-badgers)
0-0
191


22
Gonzaga (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/2250/gonzaga-bulldogs)
0-0
166


23
Notre Dame (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/87/notre-dame-fighting-irish)
0-0
122


24
Florida State (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/52/florida-state-seminoles)
0-0
61


24
Texas (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/251/texas-longhorns)
0-0
61





Others receiving votes: Saint Louis 58, Virginia Commonwealth 40, Cincinnati 33, Murray State 30, Kansas State 13, Saint Mary's 11, New Mexico 10, Tennessee 10, Minnesota 9, Pittsburgh 9, Marquette 8, Stanford 7, Oklahoma State 6, Butler 6, Colorado State 4, Middle Tennessee 3, Saint Joseph's 2, Drexel 2, Georgia 2, Miami (FL) 2, Marshall 1



Dropped from rankings: Marquette 10, Murray State 16, Georgetown 17, Cincinnati 18, Vanderbilt 19, New Mexico 23, Xavier 24, Ohio 25



[*=right]Complete Rankings » (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings/_/poll/2)

CLW
11-05-2012, 08:48 PM
The game start for real on Friday night. Super excited for the upcoming season.

JBHuskers
11-05-2012, 10:25 PM
Pretty badass that they're playing on an aircraft carrier in Germany.

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NatureBoy
11-06-2012, 07:09 AM
:D South Carolina is picked to finish 13th in the 14 team SEC. It's going to be another looooooong year for Gamecock basketball.

morsdraconis
11-06-2012, 09:39 AM
I can only hope that this year is better for WVU basketball when compared to football :fp:

CLW
11-06-2012, 01:55 PM
Never too early for some Bracketology

MIDWEST (Indianapolis)Lexington
1INDIANA (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/84)
16CHARLESTON SOUTHERN (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/2127) /16SAVANNAH ST (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/2542)

8Marquette (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/269)

9Saint Louis (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/139)
Salt Lake City
5CREIGHTON (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/156)

12Alabama (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/333)

4Arizona (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/12)

13SOUTH DAKOTA ST (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/2571)
Kansas City
6Baylor (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/239)

11California (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/25)

3North Carolina St (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/152)

14MERCER (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/2382)
Austin
7Cincinnati (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/2132)

10Saint Mary's (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/2608)

2Florida (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/57)

15MONTANA (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/149)

WEST (Los Angeles)Dayton
1Ohio St (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/194)

16VERMONT (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/261)

8Georgetown (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/46)

9Miami (FL) (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/2390)
San Jose
5GONZAGA (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/2250)

12Temple (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/218)

4UNLV (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/2439)

13BUCKNELL (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/2083)
San Jose
6Notre Dame (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/87)

11MURRAY ST (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/93)

3UCLA (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/26)

14UTAH ST (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/328)
Philadelphia
7Kansas St (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/2306)

10Saint Joseph's (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/2603)

2DUKE (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/150)

15DETROIT (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/2174)


EAST (Washington, DC)Dayton
1KENTUCKY (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/96)
16ORAL ROBERTS (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/198) / 16TEXAS SOUTHERN (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/2640)

8Minnesota (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/135)

9Stanford (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/24)
Salt Lake City
5San Diego St (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/21)

12Purdue (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/2509)

4MEMPHIS (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/235)
13Oklahoma St (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/197) / 13Brigham Young (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/252)
Auburn Hillls
6Texas (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/251)

11OHIO (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/195)

3Michigan (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/130)

14ROBERT MORRIS (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/2523)
Philadelphia
7VIRGINIA COMMONWEALTH (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/2670)

10DREXEL (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/2182)

2Syracuse (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/183)

15IONA (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/314)

SOUTH (Arlington)Lexington
1LOUISVILLE (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/97)

16LONG BEACH ST (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/299)

8New Mexico (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/167)

9Wisconsin (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/275)
Austin
5Missouri (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/142)

12DAVIDSON (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/2166)

4North Carolina (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/teamId/153)
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CLW
11-09-2012, 10:46 AM
Well it starts tonight. Top 25 teams in action:

:Georgia_State: @ #8 :Duke:

:Bryant: @ #1 :Indiana:

:Maryland: v. #3 :Kentucky:

#4 :Ohio_State: v. :Marquette:

Slippery Rock @ #5 :Michigan:

:Miami_OH: @ #6 :NC_State:

:Southeast_Missouri_State: @ #7 :Kansas:

morsdraconis
11-09-2012, 11:17 AM
Why do they have to do the overnight marathon games on a freakin' weekday? Why not do it on a weekend starting on Friday and playing until whenever instead of on a Tuesday?

Just seems silly to me. There can't be that many people watching those games that late at night.

CLW
11-09-2012, 11:20 AM
Why do they have to do the overnight marathon games on a freakin' weekday? Why not do it on a weekend starting on Friday and playing until whenever instead of on a Tuesday?

Just seems silly to me. There can't be that many people watching those games that late at night.

College bball has ALWAYS screwed up its beginning of the season IMHO.

IMHO they could really get some attention garnered with BIG "pre-season" tournys to start the season (especially if several of the title contenders were in the same tourny).

Unfortunately, most of the public pays ZERO attention until March.

morsdraconis
11-09-2012, 11:26 AM
Also, you forgot a few top 25 teams:

:Lehigh: @ #19 :Baylor: 5:00pm EST

@14 :Michigan_State: "@" :Connecticut: 5:30pm EST(only the Airforce Base ship thing)

:Gardner_Webb: @ #11 :North_Carolina: 7:00pm EST

:South_Alabama: @ #25 :Florida_State: 7:00pm EST

:North_Texas: @ #16 :Creighton:8:05pm EST

:Georgetown: @ #10 :Florida: 9:00pm EST

:Southern_Utah: @ #21 :Gonzaga: 9:00pm EST

:Indiana_State: @ #13 :UCLA: 11:00pm EST



LOTS of GREAT games on already. Thank god for college basketball and the NBA to get me the hell out of my terrible (NFL and NCAA) football woes.

morsdraconis
11-09-2012, 11:33 AM
College bball has ALWAYS screwed up its beginning of the season IMHO.

IMHO they could really get some attention garnered with BIG "pre-season" tournys to start the season (especially if several of the title contenders were in the same tourny).

Unfortunately, most of the public pays ZERO attention until March.

I think they get screwed by when the season starts. You have NBA, NFL, and NCAA to contend with and the NFL and NCAA continue to expand when games are going to be played (NFL expanding to Thursday nights and the NCAA playing on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Friday nights now as well as already having a presence on Thursday nights).

So, NCAA Basketball gets to play second fiddle to most of the other sports and I think it ends up having the same issue as the NBA has with fan interest in the beginning: When you have so many games played, the excitement of a team losing just becomes a non-issue after a while. Sadly, part of that is the fact that March Madness is so huge (allowing so many teams in) which, fortunately for NCAA Basketball, is also what makes March Madness so amazing and it's something that the NFL has been able to grasp ahold of as well (seeing teams like the Giants go from a piddly 9-7 or 10-6 season to winning it all because they got hot at the right time).

The NCAA, last year, benefited GREATLY by the NBA not starting their season until Christmas. Sadly, the NBA stupidly went back to their normal 82 game season instead of smartly keeping the Christmas start that garnered the most watched season EVER last year.

JBHuskers
11-09-2012, 11:36 AM
The only thing that could make tonight's UCONN / Michigan State game at Ramstein Air Base better is if Rammstein was playing at halftime.

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SmoothPancakes
11-09-2012, 04:48 PM
Why do they have to do the overnight marathon games on a freakin' weekday? Why not do it on a weekend starting on Friday and playing until whenever instead of on a Tuesday?

Just seems silly to me. There can't be that many people watching those games that late at night.

Yeah, I won't even get to watch a single fucking game this year. We have remotes at work 7-9am, 11am-1pm, and 4-7pm on Tuesday (so I'm going to be tired as FUCK by the time I get home around 7:30pm that night), then I have to turn around and be into work by 5:45am Wednesday morning for a 6-9am remote.

Last year I got to catch some of the middle of the night games because I was on a reversed sleep cycle, awake from late evening, all night and until mid-morning, then sleeping during the day. This year, I'll be asleep by probably 10pm Monday night and will sure as hell be asleep within an hour of getting home Tuesday night.

JBHuskers
11-09-2012, 07:24 PM
Michigan State and UCONN put on a great show for the troops in Germany. I like Kevin Ollie. Hope he becomes a great head coach.

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SmoothPancakes
11-11-2012, 01:26 PM
I meant to post this yesterday but didn't get the chance. What do you guys think, is it time to just stop with the Carrier Classic stuff?

Both games Friday night ended up cancelled because of court condensations, Ohio State-Marquette never even getting started, Florida-Georgetown making it to halftime before being called off. And while I can't recall for certain, I want to believe that Carrier Classic games have been called off in the past because of issues like court condensation. They should just make it stuff like the MSU-UConn game in Germany. Play the games on a base in an aircraft hanger or something, or if they really want to have the games outdoors, put together the court and stuff outside somewhere on the base.

JeffHCross
11-11-2012, 02:32 PM
Smooth, this is only the second year of Carrier Classic games. So they couldn't have been cancelled in the past ;)

Last year's Carrier Classic had the court and seating setup on both the flight deck and in the hanger bay, in case of inclement weather. I have a gut feeling that the hanger bay wouldn't have had the same problem with condensation on the court that the flight deck had. No word on whether or not this year's games had a similar fall back plan.

I see no reason to stop it because of condensation. It was a cancelled game ... no big deal, really. If the teams involved still want to play and people still want to promote them, so be it. I would appreciate a little more planning to reduce the likelihood of a cancellation though.

SmoothPancakes
11-11-2012, 02:55 PM
Smooth, this is only the second year of Carrier Classic games. So they couldn't have been cancelled in the past ;)

Last year's Carrier Classic had the court and seating setup on both the flight deck and in the hanger bay, in case of inclement weather. I have a gut feeling that the hanger bay wouldn't have had the same problem with condensation on the court that the flight deck had. No word on whether or not this year's games had a similar fall back plan.

I see no reason to stop it because of condensation. It was a cancelled game ... no big deal, really. If the teams involved still want to play and people still want to promote them, so be it. I would appreciate a little more planning to reduce the likelihood of a cancellation though.

Well, like I said, I couldn't remember if any were called off in the past (last year). ;)

But if this continues to be an issue, especially if they try on the flight deck again, they need to do something, because they spend the time setting it all up, promoting it, etc, and then jack squat happens. There were absolutely no issues with MSU-UConn in the hanger at Ramstein AFB. It's the carriers that are having the issues. If the games on carriers continue having problems or getting cancelled in the future, they need to just abandon the 'game on a carrier' idea and do it all somewhere on bases.

JeffHCross
11-11-2012, 03:41 PM
There were absolutely no issues with MSU-UConn -- this year. There were absolutely no issues with the Carrier Classic -- last year. I'm not predicting issues for games on bases, but one-time examples kinda suck ;)

Again, they do all of the effort setting up, promoting, etc. It sucks for the military that are there and the families that fly out to watch their kids play (though at least Aaron Craft's parents got to watch his sister play for the OSU women's team). Otherwise, why does it matter that it got cancelled? It's a waste of Wal-Mart's money. Fine by me.

I'm sure they'll do something next year to mitigate the risk.

SmoothPancakes
11-11-2012, 04:47 PM
There were absolutely no issues with MSU-UConn -- this year. There were absolutely no issues with the Carrier Classic -- last year. I'm not predicting issues for games on bases, but one-time examples kinda suck ;)

Again, they do all of the effort setting up, promoting, etc. It sucks for the military that are there and the families that fly out to watch their kids play (though at least Aaron Craft's parents got to watch his sister play for the OSU women's team). Otherwise, why does it matter that it got cancelled? It's a waste of Wal-Mart's money. Fine by me.

I'm sure they'll do something next year to mitigate the risk.

There were no issues with MSU-UConn because they were playing inside a hanger where, it was either a C-5 Galaxy or a C-17 Globemaster III, was sitting just 24 hours before. Maybe it was bad luck this year, but two games on two separate carriers in different cities (and states) had issues. Maybe it was something with being on the east coast. It was fine last year on the west coast, maybe they should keep it on the west coast. I don't know.

But if problems continue in future years with the Carrier Classic, they need to look at changing something. Now Florida, Georgetown, Marquette and Ohio State have all lost a game that could affect them at the end of the season. Every year, a team gets screwed in seeding or even getting into the NCAA tournament, and one or two games end up being the difference. Those four teams now not only have permanently lost a game from their schedule this season, but what would have been a quality win for two of the teams, they now won't have it to claim and use for a better seeding or even to get in when it comes tournament time.

JeffHCross
11-11-2012, 05:25 PM
I think the weather was unexpected for this time of year in those locations. Maybe it was bad luck this year. Or maybe it was good luck last year.

The West Coast does have the inherent advantage of being three hours earlier. There was no problem for the 5 pm OSU/ND women's game. It only surfaced for the 7 or 8 pm men's game.

I would think ABC would go for staging it mid-day on Sunday, rather than Friday night. I also think none of those four teams will have a problem with the tournament. None of them are likely to be screwed, and, if they aren't good enough to avoid that problem, they probably wouldn't have won Friday night.

SmoothPancakes
11-11-2012, 05:43 PM
I think the weather was unexpected for this time of year in those locations. Maybe it was bad luck this year. Or maybe it was good luck last year.

The West Coast does have the inherent advantage of being three hours earlier. There was no problem for the 5 pm OSU/ND women's game. It only surfaced for the 7 or 8 pm men's game.

I would think ABC would go for staging it mid-day on Sunday, rather than Friday night. I also think none of those four teams will have a problem with the tournament. None of them are likely to be screwed, and, if they aren't good enough to avoid that problem, they probably wouldn't have won Friday night.

Just giving some thoughts off the top of my head. :D

And yeah, they would have been just fine if they had played a couple hours earlier. But they'll never do it on a Saturday or Sunday because then you're fighting college football and the NFL. Just like the 24 hours of basketball on Tuesday. Lets put this shit from midnight to midnight on a freaking Tuesday when most people worked Monday and have to work Tuesday, so they won't be sitting up to watch West Virginia-Gonzaga at midnight, Davidson-New Mexico at 2am, Temple-Kent State at noon, etc. But you can't do it during Saturday or Sunday, because again, you're fighting college football and the NFL.

CLW
11-12-2012, 10:39 AM
I don't like the Carrier games as they are a gimmick IMHO. However, they are unlikely to stop due to one year of bad weather. The casual fan really seems to like the concept so I suspect they will continue to kick off the season.

morsdraconis
11-12-2012, 12:09 PM
Uugh. College basketball is SO dumb. Top 25 matchup last night between #9 Syracuse and #20 San Diego State and it's not even on freakin' TV. :smh: SO dumb.

morsdraconis
11-12-2012, 10:37 PM
(sigh)

It's total bullshit that I have to stay up until 2am (unless there is overtime) to watch WVU play a fuckin' basketball game. Fuck you NCAA for this horrific idea.

JeffHCross
11-12-2012, 11:12 PM
Uugh. College basketball is SO dumb. Top 25 matchup last night between #9 Syracuse and #20 San Diego State and it's not even on freakin' TV. :smh: SO dumb.Uhm, it was on Fox Sports. I saw it live.

If it wasn't on in your area, it was probably because the game was reschedule from Friday to Sunday.

cdj
11-13-2012, 12:38 AM
(sigh)

It's total bullshit that I have to stay up until 2am (unless there is overtime) to watch WVU play a fuckin' basketball game.

Given the halftime score, it looks like the team had no interest in staying up until 2 AM ET either.


I meant to post this yesterday but didn't get the chance. What do you guys think, is it time to just stop with the Carrier Classic stuff?

I like the idea behind the Carrier Classic and other games, but I just think college basketball games are meant to be played indoors in a standard arena. Wind, weather, etc. are not supposed to be a factor.

The biggest problem though wasn't the weather as some articles keep saying. The two that were cancelled were due to 'engineering' issues where people don't understand condensation. If they had played them in the afternoon, there would have been no issue.

CLW
11-13-2012, 10:55 AM
I like the idea behind the Carrier Classic and other games, but I just think college basketball games are meant to be played indoors in a standard arena. Wind, weather, etc. are not supposed to be a factor.

The biggest problem though wasn't the weather as some articles keep saying. The two that were cancelled were due to 'engineering' issues where people don't understand condensation. If they had played them in the afternoon, there would have been no issue.

Yeah the wind and different lighting effectively eliminates the 3 point shot (or drastically limits it). So it really hurts a team if they normally are good/excellent at 3 point shooting.

In short, these games are not going to end but they are unlikely to ever be exciting/well played games due to the weather affecting play so greatly.

CLW
11-13-2012, 02:11 PM
I think we had this discussion in another thread but a :Kentucky: player knows NOTHING about the greatest game ever played. :smh:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/kentucky-cauley-stein-making-feel-old-knowing-nothing-215533598--ncaab.html

CLW
11-16-2012, 03:11 PM
Well :Duke: scores the first "big" W of the year in the least played "rivalry" in College Hoops:


http://youtu.be/MAGLWoZmN6g

souljahbill
11-16-2012, 03:33 PM
It's a shame when your basketball team can record a win before the football team.

:Southern_Miss:

CLW
11-28-2012, 12:33 PM
:Indiana: put a beat down on :North_Carolina: last night.

Tonight :Duke: takes on :Ohio_State: @ CIS

CLW
11-28-2012, 11:02 PM
Well :Duke: has taken out 3/4 of last year's Final 4 and 4 Top 25 teams including 3 in the Top 5 at the time.


http://youtu.be/v4ijEh2y13c?hd=1

morsdraconis
11-29-2012, 04:44 AM
Sadly, yet again, this is why barely anyone pays attention to college basketball early in the year. The rankings really just don't matter, especially when you're looking at the March Madness picture.

SmoothPancakes
11-29-2012, 05:03 AM
Sadly, yet again, this is why barely anyone pays attention to college basketball early in the year. The rankings really just don't matter, especially when you're looking at the March Madness picture.

Yep, just like I don't put any stock into these early season wins. Sure, Duke is going to be among the favorites to win the title, they'll be one of the most likely to make the Final Four, etc. But wins over all these "top teams" here in November don't mean jack shit when March comes, especially when you include those teams that catch ungodly fire in late February/early March and come storming into the tournament like a bat out of hell. As far as I'm concerned, Duke is just as likely to win the title or make the Final Four as they are to get knocked out of the tournament in the second round or Sweet 16.

CLW
01-12-2013, 11:56 AM
1/2 way to seeing a Top 20 team that was pre-season Top 10 and picked by the coaches and media to win their conference storm the court after a home conference win. Turn it to ESPN if you want to see the idiocy that is student sections in college basketball.

JeffHCross
01-12-2013, 12:26 PM
I fail to see the objection, across the board, to storming the court. Are there times I don't agree with it? Sure. But I don't see why some people act all elitist about it. Though I do understand it a little more from Duke fans, since, as CLW often points out, they're often the recipient of such storming. But if a game is exciting, sure, I can see it.

If we're going to talk about student section idiocy, I have more objection to the ridiculously sized heads that people hold up during free-throws. Not a fan of that fad.

CLW
01-12-2013, 12:37 PM
I fail to see the objection, across the board, to storming the court. Are there times I don't agree with it? Sure. But I don't see why some people act all elitist about it. Though I do understand it a little more from Duke fans, since, as CLW often points out, they're often the recipient of such storming. But if a game is exciting, sure, I can see it.

If we're going to talk about student section idiocy, I have more objection to the ridiculously sized heads that people hold up during free-throws. Not a fan of that fad.

LOL turn it to ESPN and perhaps you will think differently of Wolfpack fans.

JeffHCross
01-12-2013, 12:51 PM
LOL turn it to ESPN and perhaps you will think differently of Wolfpack fans.I did turn it on for a few minutes of the second half. I saw nothing notable. EDIT: Except the Wolfpack cheerleaders show a nice amount of skin.

EDIT: I may need to clarify. I don't always agree with a student's section choice to rush the floor. I personally never did it. But I also don't agree with the universal disdain that some people have for it.

As for your point about the coaches picking them to win the conference ... predictions aren't reality, underdog is still underdog, Duke is still Duke, and #1 is still #1.

CLW
01-12-2013, 01:04 PM
and "the streak" of stupidity continues

CLW
01-12-2013, 01:10 PM
LMAO guy in a WHEEL CHAIR got knocked over by one of the IDIOTS from the Wolfpack student section.

morsdraconis
01-12-2013, 03:22 PM
The elitist is strong with this one.

CLW
01-12-2013, 04:22 PM
The elitist is strong with this one.

If elitist = calling out MORONS for what they are: guilty is charged. NOTHING positive can happen from a court/field storming. See Exhibit A:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_GUN_CONTROL?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-01-11-21-48-28

steelerfan
01-12-2013, 05:00 PM
Did I miss something?

What does storming the court have to do with a POLITICAL debate about gun control and video games? :dunno:

If a bunch of college kids having FUN storming the court after a big win is bad, I guess I'm with you. Fans do this all the time and largely without incident. Big deal.

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JeffHCross
01-12-2013, 07:52 PM
If elitist = calling out MORONS for what they are: guilty is charged. NOTHING positive can happen from a court/field storming.No, elitist is disagreeing with what someone else chooses to do while having an air of superiority and judgement about it.

Good grief, dude. You can dislike what they did without calling them morons. We get it. You don't like court-storming. Message received (long before today, for that matter).

Nothing positive can happen from a lot of things that college students choose to do. Including things, I would be willing to bet, you did from time to time. If that's your criteria for whether or not something is moronic ....

For what it's worth, when I initially said elitist, I wasn't talking about you. But then you walked right into the description.

morsdraconis
01-12-2013, 11:34 PM
No, elitist is disagreeing with what someone else chooses to do while having an air or superiority and judgement about it.

Good grief, dude. You can dislike what they did without calling them morons. We get it. You don't like court-storming. Message received (long before today, for that matter).

Nothing positive can happen from a lot of things that college students choose to do. Including things, I would be willing to bet, you did from time to time. If that's your criteria for whether or not something is moronic ....

For what it's worth, when I initially said elitist, I wasn't talking about you. But then you walked right into the description.

I MOST DEFINITELY meant it. That's Duke basketball fans to a fuckin' tee. They think they're better than everyone else and always have.

cdj
01-14-2013, 12:13 PM
USC fires Kevin O'Neill. (http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8843050/kevin-oneill-usc-trojans-coach) I was surprised they kept him on-board this long following Tim Floyd's resignation in 2009. They've had decent (but not great) talent and underachieved every year. They should be a good program if they could get a decent coach & recruiter.

JBHuskers
01-14-2013, 12:20 PM
USC fires Kevin O'Neill. (http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8843050/kevin-oneill-usc-trojans-coach) I was surprised they kept him on-board this long following Tim Floyd's resignation in 2009. They've had decent (but not great) talent and underachieved every year. They should be a good program if they could get a decent coach & recruiter.

If Nebraska can whoop up on them, he should have be instantly fired.

CLW
01-14-2013, 02:11 PM
USC fires Kevin O'Neill. (http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8843050/kevin-oneill-usc-trojans-coach) I was surprised they kept him on-board this long following Tim Floyd's resignation in 2009. They've had decent (but not great) talent and underachieved every year. They should be a good program if they could get a decent coach & recruiter.

The problem was/is he can coach D but is an AWFUL offensive coach. Although Kenpom defended him a bit recently because USC has had a fairly tough schedule this season.

JeffHCross
01-15-2013, 05:01 PM
Two things about court-storming today:
Players encouraging it (https://twitter.com/DT1UpNComin/status/290641804842389504) probably won't help it stop :D

LMAO guy in a WHEEL CHAIR got knocked over by one of the IDIOTS from the Wolfpack student section.And it wasn't some guy, it was a student, he went out there willingly, and he was "saved" by one of the NC State players (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2013/01/12/qa-with-north-carolina-state-wheelchair-fan-will-privette/1829185/). Pretty cool on the part of the player, though the kid self-acknowledges that it was stupid for him to go out there.

CLW
01-16-2013, 12:29 PM
Two things about court-storming today:
Players encouraging it (https://twitter.com/DT1UpNComin/status/290641804842389504) probably won't help it stop :D
And it wasn't some guy, it was a student, he went out there willingly, and he was "saved" by one of the NC State players (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2013/01/12/qa-with-north-carolina-state-wheelchair-fan-will-privette/1829185/). Pretty cool on the part of the player, though the kid self-acknowledges that it was stupid for him to go out there.

Its just a matter of time before someone dies or is seriously injured during one of these things. In fact, it has already happened:

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun/17/sports/sp-crowe17

"Students" have taken "sucker punches" at the opponents team while they are trying to leave the court; there have been spitting/racial slur incidents; etc... The person(s) mostly likely to get injured are the visiting teams players who have ZERO say in whether they join in the stupidity or not.

I believe the :SEC: fines a school for every court/field storming with escalating penalties. I think that's a pretty good idea with the caveat that the penalty $ should go to the school that just "got stormed" after losing. $1,000,000 per "storm" would stop this b.s. real quick. :nod:

plotty
01-17-2013, 08:32 PM
If Nebraska can whoop up on them, he should have be instantly fired.

Watch out for Nebrasketball in the next few yrs, though. Timmy Miles has the team on the right track given their 0-4 conference record. Give them some legit talent and they could be on the rebound....

JeffHCross
01-23-2013, 10:48 PM
So, I heard there was some court storming tonight. Interesting.

morsdraconis
01-24-2013, 04:29 AM
So, I heard there was some court storming tonight. Interesting.

:D :D :D

Egging him on; I LOVE it. ;)

CLW
01-24-2013, 02:04 PM
So, I heard there was some court storming tonight. Interesting.


:D :D :D

Egging him on; I LOVE it. ;)

Duke loses on the road = court storming. Apparently that is one of the ten commandments of college basketball. Thou shall storm the court when you beat mighty :Duke:.

Watched EVERY second of the game last night. Duke isn't the same w/o Kelly and it probably wouldn't have mattered last night as The U couldn't miss last night and Duke couldn't hit anything. However, The U probably did themselves no favors with the mocking of the Duke players and the entire team floor slap and attempting to run up the score when up nearly 30 with a few minutes remaining. K still runs it up when he can against poor :Virginia: thanks to the beat down they gave him in '82.

Honestly, if you had told me pre-season :Duke: would be 16-2 and playing the 12th best offense and 7th best defense in the country with the #1 strength of schedule in the country I would have taken it in a heart beat. I easily visioned 4-5 losses by now.

ram29jackson
01-24-2013, 09:48 PM
Nothing wrong with celebrating on court when you trash mighty Duke.

http://www.dukehoopblog.com/2013/01/24/reports-that-duke-practiced-late-last-night-upon-arrival-from-miami-disputed/#utm_source=feed&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=feed

morsdraconis
01-25-2013, 04:50 AM
God I hope that's true. The hilarity would be beyond comprehension.

ram29jackson
01-25-2013, 07:30 PM
God I hope that's true. The hilarity would be beyond comprehension.

I disagree with it. Mike K. is supposed to be one of those life is more important than sports guys and he becomes a typical myopic ball coach by saying your entire worth is based on that game and I'm punishing you for a lousy b-ball game.

its Duke, they know they got clowned, they know its not a good thing at mighty Duke. They know they failed and thats frowned upon. Either wait till the next day to do it or make your point in another way.

But forcing sprints at one in the morning makes you look like a dumb adult/ball coach.

JeffHCross
01-28-2013, 09:05 PM
So, the Kansas-WVU game is basically Blue vs White. Kansas is wearing blue with blue numbers and blue names. West Virginia is wearing white with yellow numerals and small, blue, names. Because of the lack of contrast, it looks like, on first glance, that neither team has any writing on their jerseys.

NatureBoy
01-31-2013, 12:04 AM
:South_Carolina: only scored 10 points in the first half vs #4 :Florida: last night. Gotta love Gamecock basketball. :D:fp:

JBHuskers
01-31-2013, 12:06 AM
:D:fp: :South_Carolina: only scored 10 points in the first half vs #4 Florida last night. Gotta love Gamecock basketball.

You know how we feel now on the hardwood.

Stanford is bitch slapping #10 Oregon right now. Probably because they can't hide in the trees on their court.

NatureBoy
01-31-2013, 12:11 AM
:( How many more days left until football season starts? I knew South Carolina would lose tonight but only scoring ten points in the first half is pathetic even by Gamecock standards.

JeffHCross
01-31-2013, 07:39 PM
Still better than what Northern Illinois did in two combined halves this season.

CLW
02-01-2013, 07:49 AM
:South_Carolina: only scored 10 points in the first half vs #4 :Florida: last night. Gotta love Gamecock basketball. :D:fp:

:Florida: is just destroying teams right now and is clearly playing the best basketball in the country. in fact, they keep this up they will be the favorites to cut down the nets in the end and if they do they will probably be the best TEAM to do so in the last decade. their offensive and defensive efficiency #s are off the charts right now.

JeffHCross
02-05-2013, 08:27 PM
Seriously, not even AustinWolv can approve of Michigan's all-maize unis....

right?

Wayyyyy too much of one color. I'm not a fan of this trend at all. [/Obvious statement]

CLW
02-05-2013, 08:34 PM
Seriously, not even AustinWolv can approve of Michigan's all-maize unis....

right?

Wayyyyy too much of one color. I'm not a fan of this trend at all. [/Obvious statement]

Yeah its getting silly and you can thank Nike/:Oregon: for all this CRAP. :Ohio_State: is wearing their "special" road uniforms from Nike b/c they are playing an Adidas school :Michigan: who just so happens to be wearing a "special" Adidas set of highlighter vomit?

:Duke: is doing the same thing when it travels to take on Under Armour I mean :Maryland:

Its so.... blatantly transparent its SAD.

psuexv
02-05-2013, 08:42 PM
I can't even watch this, it hurts my eyes

JeffHCross
02-05-2013, 09:21 PM
At least Ohio State's uniforms aren't horrible. Sure, the logo on the front is worse than the usual block lettering, but it's tolerable.

Michigan's uniformly-colored ... uniforms ... is shit.

And yes, I'd feel the same way if Ohio State's gray numerals and lettering suddenly turned scarlet.

JBHuskers
02-05-2013, 09:46 PM
I can't even watch this, it hurts my eyes

Quit being a wuss :D

SmoothPancakes
02-05-2013, 09:51 PM
I've seen worse. Much worse.

Remember these abortions during last year's Big 12 and NCAA tournament? :smh:

http://static03.mediaite.com/sportsgrid/uploads/2012/03/Baylor-adidas-adizero-uniform-e1331057719801.jpg

JeffHCross
02-05-2013, 10:13 PM
That's not that much worse.

Also: both are Adidas.

SmoothPancakes
02-05-2013, 10:17 PM
That's not that much worse.

Also: both are Adidas.

I don't know. Of the little bit I watched of OSU-Michigan after seeing the posts in here, it was bad, but tolerable. Baylor last year was atrocious. I couldn't watch a single tournament game on TV that had Baylor in it, just because of how horrendous those uniforms were to the eyes on TV.

SmoothPancakes
02-08-2013, 05:49 PM
Stay classy Dukies. No sympathy from me whenever someone rushes the court against them.

Video: Duke students taunt NC State player over deceased grandmother (http://www.yardbarker.com/all_sports/articles/msn/nc_state_tyler_lewis_grandmother_just_died_so_duke _fans_chant_hows_your_grandma/12867799)

Just imagine the shitstorm if whatever team it was that Notre Dame played right after Te'o's grandmother had died had done a chant like this.

morsdraconis
02-08-2013, 06:08 PM
Wow. That's fuckin' DISGUSTING.

JeffHCross
02-08-2013, 07:27 PM
Naturally, there's controversy over what was actually said, and by how much of the crowd.

SmoothPancakes
02-08-2013, 07:30 PM
Naturally, there's controversy over what was actually said, and by how much of the crowd.

Naturally.

I will concede to them that it wasn't like the entire crowd was doing it. But it was well more than just a handful of fans. To be able to hear it in the video over the noise of the arena, and those who were there in the crowd, it appears to still at least be a pretty good size group of people chanting it.

I'm all for chanting and getting inside the head of someone shooting free throws, I love a good chant, but using a recently deceased grandmother as the basis for your chant? Absolutely tasteless, disgusting and classless. There are lines you don't cross and that pole vaulted over the damn line.

steelerfan
02-08-2013, 07:44 PM
Has anyone verified that his grandmother actually died?

Or that he even had a grandmother?

;)

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JeffHCross
02-08-2013, 08:00 PM
I know you're kidding, but http://blogs.fayobserver.com/accbasketball/February-2013/Tyler-Lewis-gives-inspired-performance-a-day-after

morsdraconis
02-08-2013, 08:16 PM
Has anyone verified that his grandmother actually died?

Or that he even had a grandmother?

;)

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I literally laughed out loud at that.

Well played good sir. ;)

JBHuskers
02-08-2013, 08:17 PM
Gonna be fun trying to fill out the bracket this year.

CLW
02-09-2013, 08:14 AM
For whatever it's worth it sounded to me like "Past Your Bedtime" to me referring to Lewis' looking like a kid out there but IF it was indeed a "dead grandma" chant it was way out of line and seems ODD considering Duke was totally in control at that point in the game.

Also none of the Press ACTUALLY at the game heard said "grandma" chant.

https://twitter.com/joeovies/status/299733714865356801

bdoughty
02-09-2013, 06:25 PM
http://i.imgur.com/Xcs1dAm.jpg



It is clear as a bell that numerous idiots were chanting "How's your Grandma" on the second free throw. They were chanting "Past Your Bedtime" during the first. Just go to 35 seconds in and you will hear yet another reason why people hate Duke basketball. The Notre Dame of College Hoops.


http://youtu.be/hZ9O2KOwjOk

CLW
02-09-2013, 07:05 PM
It is clear as a bell that numerous idiots were chanting "How's your Grandma" on the second free throw. They were chanting "Past Your Bedtime" during the first. Just go to 35 seconds in and you will hear yet another reason why people hate Duke basketball. The Notre Dame of College Hoops.


http://youtu.be/hZ9O2KOwjOk

I still hear "past your bedtime" during both free throws. Did a few idiots do a "grandma" chant? I dunno I wasn't there and it was despicable if there was one but the video "evidence" is inconclusive at best allowing prejudice to take over and the listener/viewer hears what they WANT to hear.

IRONICALLY, on another message board I frequent someone we shall call a :Duke: "hater" said the exact opposite that the 1st free throw was "grandma" and the 2nd was "bedtime". So if the "haters" cannot even agree when the "grandma" chant occurred in the same video I'd say its pretty safe to say its inconclusive. NC State fans (that posted before and after the game on some of the boards I frequent) that were at the game also said all that they saw/heard was "bedtime"

JeffHCross
02-09-2013, 07:23 PM
I think there's definitely some idiots saying "grandma" during the second free throw. Possibly during the first. Either way, it wasn't as many as initial reports suggested. And it reflects less on Duke, in my opinion, than on how idiotic and insensitive college students are.

bdoughty
02-10-2013, 02:11 AM
When I lived in Lubbock I attended some Tech baseball games and the stands were filled with some of the great hecklers of our generation. They also had a set of rules they played by.

http://www.elkinsbaseball.com/heckling.htm

A copy should be handed out to every student that enters the next Duke home game or stapled to their tents and I am pretty sure there is plenty of room to throw a few hundred up in the football teams trophy case. Worst case scenario, tape it on Duke Vitale's bald head.

JeffHCross
02-10-2013, 12:34 PM
When I lived in Lubbock I attended some Tech baseball games and the stands were filled with some of the great hecklers of our generation. They also had a set of rules they played by.

http://www.elkinsbaseball.com/heckling.htm

A copy should be handed out to every student that enters the next Duke home game or stapled to their tents and I am pretty sure there is plenty of room to throw a few hundred up in the football teams trophy case. Worst case scenario, tape it on Duke Vitale's bald head.Fantastic list.

NatureBoy
02-15-2013, 07:57 AM
The worst things Frank Martin said about his team

Frank Martin does not like the South Carolina Gamecocks basketball team right now.

To be fair, I don't like them either, but I'm not paid to coach them.

Martin, following the team's loss to a fellow resident of the SEC's lower half, the LSU Tigers, he said some pretty brutal things about his guys. These are the eight harshest quotes, as transcribed by The Charleston (S.C.) Post and Courier:

8) (On a list of former players Martin has coached, including Jacob Pullen, Rodney McGruder, Denis Clemente, Brent Wright, Sylbrin Robinson, Udonis Haslem, Steve Blake, Jose Baseu, Gimel Martinez, Allen Edwards, Steve Edwards and Doug Edwards) "If I had any of them on my team, then I'd have a guy I could trust on my team. So we'd be all right tomorrow."

7) "We lead the country in air-ball layups."

6) "If you've got no life for what you do, then you shouldn't do it. If you've got no passion for what you do, then you shouldn't do it. Right now, we're passionless and we're lifeless."

5) "If you take Bruce Ellington off our team, you'd probably have the 12 leading candidates for the starring roles in ... 'The Return of the Living Dead,' the zombie movie."

4) "If I've lost them, then they better disappear, because it's going to be hard for them to be here next year if I've lost them 10 months into the job."

3) "I've been doing this for 28 years, nine of which as a junior varsity high school coach. That means I've dealt with 14-year-olds. I've never been more embarrassed to call myself a basketball coach than I am today."

2) "If this was the NBA, we'd fine them, we'd take their money, we'd release them and say, 'Good luck with ever finding another job.'"

1) "I have never been so embarrassed. I shouldn't coach basketball ever again if this is how my team plays."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/02/15/frank-martin-south-carolina-gamecocks-press-conference-lsu-tigers/1921993/

:D :South_Carolina: Is it football season yet? You are not alone Frank. Nobody else likes the South Carolina Basketball team either.

JBHuskers
02-15-2013, 09:20 AM
I swear he is a mob boss.

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NatureBoy
02-15-2013, 01:08 PM
:D I'm pretty sure the guys on his team think so as well. They are scared shitless of him. I have seen him rip a guy a new asshole on more than one occasion. He's the kind of Coach we need at South Carolina. I love this guy, he's a hoot! "We lead the country in air-ball layups." Only Frank could have come up with this. lol.

NatureBoy
02-28-2013, 10:32 AM
Adidas unveils preposterous sleeved college hoops uniforms.

http://i.imgur.com/03T04MJ.jpg

Adidas' new college basketball uniforms are a miracle, mainly because they manage to make those stupid-looking sleeved jerseys their second most preposterous feature.

Animal-striped shorts are the lowlight of the new uniforms six Adidas schools -- Baylor, Cincinnati, Kansas, Louisville, Notre Dame and UCLA -- will wear this March. Remember Fruit Stripe gum? Whoever designed these uniforms did.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/02/28/adidas-college-basketball-sleeves-stripes-zubaz/1953549/

gschwendt
02-28-2013, 10:38 AM
http://c-product.images.fansedge.com/32-27/32-27483-F.jpg

JBHuskers
02-28-2013, 12:36 PM
One of my brackets this year, I'm going to pick the first round games myself, and then flip a coin the rest of the way and see how that does :D

morsdraconis
02-28-2013, 01:38 PM
One of my brackets this year, I'm going to pick the first round games myself, and then flip a coin the rest of the way and see how that does :D

Pfft, that's what I always do, unless it's WVU circa 2010 Final Four run. :)

JBHuskers
02-28-2013, 02:27 PM
Pfft, that's what I always do, unless it's WVU circa 2010 Final Four run. :)

This year is just insane the # of upsets. Not just top 5 teams, but any top 25 team.

morsdraconis
02-28-2013, 02:44 PM
FYI, those shorts make me want to shoot people in the fuckin' face repeatedly, btw.

SmoothPancakes
02-28-2013, 02:51 PM
Fuck. :smh: The highlighter, "I want to gouge my eyes out", Baylor uniforms are back. :fp:

Looks like I am skipping every Baylor game in the tournament this year. I'm not suffering through and watching that shit again for a second year in a row.

CLW
02-28-2013, 07:46 PM
and i thought :Oregon: would ALWAYS have the ugliest uniforms in sports. I was WRONG! :nod:

NatureBoy
02-28-2013, 07:54 PM
The Big East's seven departing Catholic schools are expected to start their own league next season and will keep the Big East Conference name, sources told ESPN's Brett McMurphy, Andy Katz and Dana O'Neil.

Joining the Catholic 7 schools -- DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, and Villanova -- in the new "Big East" this fall will be Xavier and Butler, sources said.

Creighton has emerged as the favorite to become the 10th team, and would also join next season, according to sources.

Xavier and Butler have not formally withdrawn from the Atlantic 10. To exit the A-10 with less than a year's notice would cost each school $2 million, Katz reported.

The Catholic 7's exit from the Big East is being expedited by Fox Sports Network. The network initially contacted the seven schools and laid the groundwork for them to leave the Big East with the promise of a lucrative media-rights deal, a source said.

Fox Sports Network is expected to announce the addition of the Catholic 7/Big East basketball league Tuesday in New York as part of the network's news conference announcing the addition of Fox Sports 1 and Fox Sports 2 channels.

Fox Sports Network's deal with the Catholic 7 is expected to be worth at least $3 million annually per school, sources said.

It's unknown how much it will cost the Catholic 7 to keep the Big East name.

The departure of the Catholic 7 schools, which would officially begin their new league on July 1, also could mean Notre Dame joins the ACC this summer instead of 2014.

Sources said Notre Dame has planned on remaining in the Big East for the 2013-14 academic year as long as the Catholic 7 schools did so. However, if those schools left before then, the Fighting Irish would also look to join the ACC this summer.

If unable to join the ACC in 2013-14, the Fighting Irish would consider spending one season in the Catholic 7 league before moving to the ACC in 2014, a source said.

It's unknown if the ACC could still add Notre Dame in 2013-14. However, Louisville, which also is leaving the Big East for the ACC, must wait until 2014 because it would disrupt the ACC's football divisions and schedules, a source said. Rutgers also would not leave the Big East for the Big Ten until 2014.

Last year, Notre Dame announced it was leaving the Big East to join the ACC in all sports, but football. Big East bylaws require 27 months notice before leaving, but multiple schools have negotiated an earlier exit. In the past two years, 16 schools have left or announced they were leaving the Big East.

As it stands, Connecticut, Cincinnati and South Florida remain the only holdovers not committed to either the new "Big East" or another conference.

The loss of the Catholic 7 schools also will impact the value of the media-rights deal with ESPN, a source said Last week, ESPN retained the Big East's media-rights deal by matching an offer from NBC Sports Network. The Big East's deal is worth $130 million for seven years, including $10 million for the 2013-14 basketball season, sources said.

However, if the Catholic 7 schools are not in the Big East in 2013-14, that $10 million amount would be reduced. The remainder of the deal -- $20 million annually from 2014-2020 -- was not dependent on the Catholic 7's membership and would not change, sources said.

The Big East's presidents still must vote and approve on the media-rights deal. The Big East's presidents and athletic directors meet Friday beginning at 11 a.m. in Atlanta.

It remains unknown which league -- the Catholic 7 or the remaining Big East schools -- would hold its basketball tournament in Madison Square Garden.

Once the Catholic 7 split is official, the new league will use a search firm to find a commissioner, a source said. The new league also expects to play 18 league games in its inaugural season.

While Butler, Xavier and, most likely, Creighton are expected to join the new Big East this fall, the Catholic 7 schools are also expected to add Dayton and St. Louis in 2014 for a 12-team league.

Even though the Big East will have to change conference names this fall, the football league will still remain an automatic qualifying BCS conference in 2013 -- the last year of the BCS -- and its champion will receive a berth to one of the BCS bowls.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9000502/catholic-7-schools-keep-big-east-name-new-league-next-season-according-sources

SmoothPancakes
02-28-2013, 08:04 PM
and i thought :Oregon: would ALWAYS have the ugliest uniforms in sports. I was WRONG! :nod:

Seriously. Whoever at Adidas created those, and whoever at Adidas gave those abortions of uniforms their thumbs up and approved them, they both deserve to be smacked, repeatedly, with a 2x4. All the advances humans have made in any and every field, be it technology, medical, whatever, in past decades and still continuing to make today with each passing day, and that's the best shit we can come up with for basketball uniforms? :fp:

steelerfan
02-28-2013, 08:23 PM
Wow, those unis are HORRIBLE. Those ND ones are the gayest of the bunch.

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CLW
02-28-2013, 10:11 PM
wooo court storming :Duke: must be in town :nod:

CLW
03-02-2013, 07:23 PM
Top 5 team goes down and no storming the court WTF???

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BEXJe0aCMAANPOl.jpg

JeffHCross
03-02-2013, 11:39 PM
Yes, CLW, court storming is pretty much only reserved for beating Duke. We get it.

FWIW, the last team to beat Duke at home and not storm the court was :Ohio_State:

gschwendt
03-03-2013, 08:36 AM
UALR apparently stormed the court last night when they beat ASU. I wasn't there but the game wasn't for anything (ASU had already wrapped up the division), neither team is ranked, etc. Apparently beating your rival in a come-from-behind fashion in a game that has no meaning is all it takes.

JeffHCross
03-03-2013, 10:19 AM
As far as I'm concerned, beating anyone in an exciting game is all it should take. For it to be "acceptable", that is. Not to say every exciting game should involve court rushing.

JBHuskers
03-04-2013, 10:12 AM
I've been saying this for years. Storming the court should be reserved for beating a #1, #2, or maybe a #3. If your program is mediocre.

I believe earlier in the year NC State stormed the court for beating North Carolina. NC State was RANKED :fp:

CLW
03-04-2013, 10:35 AM
I've been saying this for years. Storming the court should be reserved for beating a #1, #2, or maybe a #3. If your program is mediocre.

I believe earlier in the year NC State stormed the court for beating North Carolina. NC State was RANKED :fp:

and favored and a pre-season Top 10 club before believing their own hype and not performing up to their potential/talent level would indicate.

i'm a BIG fan of the SEC on this one only I'd increase the fine to $1,000,000 per court storming. some argue you cannot stop it I bet a million $ fine on the school would stop it in a hurry.

morsdraconis
03-04-2013, 11:08 AM
I've been saying this for years. Storming the court should be reserved for beating a #1, #2, or maybe a #3. If your program is mediocre.

I believe earlier in the year NC State stormed the court for beating North Carolina. NC State was RANKED :fp:

They stormed the court because they hadn't beat North Carolina in 10 years. It was a BIG win for them, no matter if they were ranked or not.

People REALLY need to stop making a big fuckin' deal about court storming. It's FUN.

JBHuskers
03-04-2013, 11:22 AM
They stormed the court because they hadn't beat North Carolina in 10 years. It was a BIG win for them, no matter if they were ranked or not.

People REALLY need to stop making a big fuckin' deal about court storming. It's FUN.

It's overplayed. It should only be done for special situations, not when you're SUPPOSED to win :D

morsdraconis
03-04-2013, 01:46 PM
It's overplayed. It should only be done for special situations, not when you're SUPPOSED to win :D

They weren't SUPPOSED to win. They hadn't beat North Carolina in basketball in 10 YEARS. Ranked or not and North Carolina having a down year or not, it was a HUGE win for them.

JeffHCross
03-09-2013, 08:21 PM
They weren't SUPPOSED to win. They hadn't beat North Carolina in basketball in 10 YEARS. Ranked or not and North Carolina having a down year or not, it was a HUGE win for them.
And y'know, that whole rivalry thing.

CLW
03-09-2013, 10:20 PM
http://static.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/1347585185062_7958464.png

JeffHCross
03-10-2013, 09:14 PM
Red x. Forum can't be access by non members.

JeffHCross
03-11-2013, 06:42 AM
http://www.insidethehall.com/2013/03/10/iu-student-told-to-wear-michigan-shirt-or-leave/ :smh:

Be sure to read the comments.

CLW, please correct me if I'm wrong, if this a policy of the student section or arena, not university or government, does the First apply?

CLW
03-11-2013, 08:30 AM
http://www.insidethehall.com/2013/03/10/iu-student-told-to-wear-michigan-shirt-or-leave/ :smh:

Be sure to read the comments.

CLW, please correct me if I'm wrong, if this a policy of the student section or arena, not university or government, does the First apply?

This happens allot more than people think. At the Duke Miami game this year some Duke undergrad alum now at UM law school went to the game and someone high up held them up for a long time saying they couldn't go to the game wearing Duke clothes and sit in the Miami student section. The law students balked threatened to sue the school (although they prob would have lost as The U is a private school) and they finally let them in but by that point they were sitting way in the back (which of course is what The U admin really wanted).

IF the school at issue is a state school and :Michigan: certainly is the 1st Amendment would apply and someone could sue the school easily if they were in fact removed from the arena for simply wearing an opponents school colors.

Tinker is one of many SCOTUS cases in this area (generally these are K-12 dress code cases) that 7-2 said schools (government) cannot censor students clothing (black arm bands protesting Vietnam) unless the school can prove it would cause substantial disruption or harm the rights of others.

The Maize only "policy" wouldn't stand up in court b/c wearing another's schools colors wouldn't cause substantial disruption or harm the right of others. Now a private school (or even a professional team) could possibly get away with it b/c generally only the government can violate your rights so there is no government violating your 1st Amendment if a private school or a professional team does it to you.

morsdraconis
03-11-2013, 09:46 AM
Interesting. I have to wonder if WVU has a policy like that being a governmentally funded public school. Probably not as I'm pretty sure I've seen opposing teams' fans in our student section before.

CLW
03-11-2013, 06:44 PM
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0310/grant_bracket_hatedplayersRd1.jpg

LMFAO Duke gets an entire region and they left out so.... many HATED :Duke: players b/c the entire damn bracket would just be Duke if it weren't limited to a 1/4 of the field. I'll take whoever survives the Duke region and give you the entire field and I like my chances to win it all. :nod:

JeffHCross
03-11-2013, 09:47 PM
IF the school at issue is a state school and :Michigan: certainly is the 1st Amendment would applyI guess it all comes down to where the rule is coming from. When I sat in the student section at Ohio State, we had "rules", but none of those rules were university-enforced (or, as far as I'm aware, university-approved/sanctioned/reviewed). So from that standpoint I think people crying foul over the First is a little much. But, yes, I agree, if it's a school rule, in so much as a state-sponsored school is an extension of a government entity, then it's fair game.

It just struck me as, possibly, possibly, yet another example of people crying foul First! whenever 'speech' is infringed, but not actually acknowledging who is doing the infringing.

And yeah, I don't think this is wholly uncommon. Personally I think student section tickets should be unsellable for this very reason. Nothing good can come from being an opposing fan in a student section.

CLW
03-12-2013, 12:56 AM
I guess it all comes down to where the rule is coming from. When I sat in the student section at Ohio State, we had "rules", but none of those rules were university-enforced (or, as far as I'm aware, university-approved/sanctioned/reviewed). So from that standpoint I think people crying foul over the First is a little much. But, yes, I agree, if it's a school rule, in so much as a state-sponsored school is an extension of a government entity, then it's fair game.

It just struck me as, possibly, possibly, yet another example of people crying foul First! whenever 'speech' is infringed, but not actually acknowledging who is doing the infringing.

And yeah, I don't think this is wholly uncommon. Personally I think student section tickets should be unsellable for this very reason. Nothing good can come from being an opposing fan in a student section.

Yeah I don't have a problem with schools prohibiting students from selling their tix (especially if they are free). However, the Duke example the students were actual Miami law students that happen to have gone to Duke undergrad so if you ignore the Private school defense you still could easily have problems if you are giving tix away to grad students. There also is a lesser likelihood that your own student simply likes your rival better than his/her own school for whatever reason.

SmoothPancakes
03-15-2013, 09:05 PM
Adios Kentucky! Have fun in the NIT! :)):clap::up:

JBHuskers
03-16-2013, 12:25 AM
Adios Kentucky! Have fun in the NIT! :)):clap::up:

Yep. Nail in coffin.

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NatureBoy
03-16-2013, 07:37 AM
:South_Carolina: :D Thankfully, the college basketball season ended on Wednesday night for me.

CLW
03-17-2013, 01:50 PM
This tourny is going to be INSANE. Any of the contenders can be beaten at ANY time. One and Done has RUINED college basketball.

JeffHCross
03-17-2013, 06:40 PM
One and Done has RUINED college basketball.Agree to disagree.

CLW
03-17-2013, 06:46 PM
Agree to disagree.

To me its really simple. I'll give you ANY of the champs from the past 5 years and NONE of them could hang with 90 UNLV, 91-92 Duke; 96 Kentucky; 98 Kentucky etc....

JeffHCross
03-17-2013, 07:53 PM
Okay, but without one and done, none of the champs in the last five years would have even been as good as they were. So maybe you extend that argument to all early draftees. A little shakier.

Plus I'm fairly confident you could find several five year periods that couldn't hang with the 90s. Ohio State, besides the 60s with Jerry Lucas and all, has never had a team as talented as they did in the mid 90s, in my opinion. And, because of Michigan and Duke and others, those Ohio State teams never sniffed a title.

Saying that one and dones or high school draftees have ruined basketball is kind of akin to arguing that scholarship limits have killed football. It certainly changed the game, but it's a stretch to say ruined.

psusnoop
03-17-2013, 08:01 PM
I'd love to see the same rules for football as basketball. To easy for kids to get a free pass to play ball without getting an education and better themselves after school and while I know I don't have any facts to back up my thoughts that 3 years in college gives these athletes a better chance after sports it certainly gets them closer to a degree and a chance then one year full of shitty classes.

I will add though that I love college basketball more now then I have ever in the past and that's saying something for me.

JBHuskers
03-18-2013, 08:15 AM
Rewound ESPNRadio.com to 6:30am to listen to Mike & Mike talk tourney. Only because Greeney isn't on today :D

CLW
03-18-2013, 08:17 AM
I'd love to see the same rules for football as basketball. To easy for kids to get a free pass to play ball without getting an education and better themselves after school and while I know I don't have any facts to back up my thoughts that 3 years in college gives these athletes a better chance after sports it certainly gets them closer to a degree and a chance then one year full of shitty classes.

I will add though that I love college basketball more now then I have ever in the past and that's saying something for me.

I've always been a "baseball rule" guy. There are "freaks" Lebron; Kyrie; Kobe; etc... that are CLEARLY NBA ready right out of high school. You want to play pro fine do so right out of high school. For everyone else 3 years before they are draft eligible again.

Of course its up to the NBA and not the NCAA to make this rule. Oddly, the NBA union is against this which seems odd to me. If I were a current NBA player a 3 year rule is going to give me more job security as it will keep allot of competition away from me for at least the first 3 years of the rule.

CLW
03-18-2013, 08:26 AM
The "heart" Final 4 = :Duke: :New_Mexico: :Indiana: :Virginia_Commonweal (:Duke: bringing home #5 over the Hoosiers)

My "head" Final 4 = :Louisville: :Ohio_State: :Indiana: :Florida: (:Louisville: defeats Hoosiers)

JBHuskers
03-18-2013, 10:03 AM
I felt like I went too chalk on my "main" bracket, but yet my Final Four consists of seeds 1, 1, 2, 5.

jaymo76
03-18-2013, 04:20 PM
I've done six different brackets thus far on ESPN (ipad app) bracketology. My most unique winner... Marquette. However, in my first bracket Louisville cakewalks to the N.C.

JeffHCross
03-19-2013, 08:46 PM
So, the big question, can CLW hate on the Robert Morris court-storming? Or is it enough to make his court-storming heart grow Grinch-style?

CLW
03-19-2013, 09:12 PM
So, the big question, can CLW hate on the Robert Morris court-storming? Or is it enough to make his court-storming heart grow Grinch-style?

I loathe :Kentucky: but I loathe court storming even more. It's the [censored] N.I.T. NOONE cares who wins the whole tourny and thus noone should storm the court for winning a 1st round N.I.T. game.

souljahbill
03-20-2013, 06:20 PM
I loathe :Kentucky: but I loathe court storming even more. It's the [censored] N.I.T. NOONE cares who wins the whole tourny and thus noone should storm the court for winning a 1st round N.I.T. game.

Spoken like a true Goliath. :p

SmoothPancakes
03-20-2013, 07:07 PM
I loathe :Kentucky: but I loathe court storming even more. It's the [censored] N.I.T. NOONE cares who wins the whole tourny and thus noone should storm the court for winning a 1st round N.I.T. game.

NIT or not, a small team like Robert Morris knocking off Kentucky (and the 8 over 1 upset), is a huge accomplishment by those kids and they and their fans deserve to celebrate it. Kentucky was the national champions last year. Obviously a massively different team this year as they suck ass and couldn't even get into the NCAA tournament, but still a hell of a win by Robert Morris. I say let them storm the court all the want, they earned this one.

JeffHCross
03-20-2013, 08:43 PM
:smh:

morsdraconis
03-20-2013, 09:03 PM
I loathe :Kentucky: but I loathe court storming even more. It's the [censored] N.I.T. NOONE cares who wins the whole tourny and thus noone should storm the court for winning a 1st round N.I.T. game.

I guarantee that Robert Morris's players cared and the fans cared.

CLW
03-20-2013, 09:37 PM
I guarantee that Robert Morris's players cared and the fans cared.

I guarantee you there will be BIG upsets either Thursday or Friday in a game far more important than the Robert Morris/Kentucky NIT 1st round game and there will be ZERO fans on the court at the end and it will take NOTHING away from the game/accomplishment of the "little guy" taking down "Goliath".

JeffHCross
03-21-2013, 07:18 AM
I guarantee you there will be BIG upsets either Thursday or Friday in a game far more important than the Robert Morris/Kentucky NIT 1st round game and there will be ZERO fans on the court at the end and it will take NOTHING away from the game/accomplishment of the "little guy" taking down "Goliath".But the lack of fans will probably have more to do with neutral site than anything else.

JBHuskers
04-01-2013, 10:11 PM
Enfield cashing in on the FGCU success, and is bolting for USC.

SmoothPancakes
04-01-2013, 11:13 PM
Damn. A big loss for FGCU, but no way they would have been able to pony up the money to keep him.

morsdraconis
04-02-2013, 05:07 AM
Sucks, but it was to be expected. Unfortunately, he bolted for one of the worst schools in the Pac-12 which is already worse than some of the lesser conferences in college basketball.

psusnoop
04-02-2013, 07:34 AM
Damn. A big loss for FGCU, but no way they would have been able to pony up the money to keep him.

It would have been nice to see him stick around for a couple of more years but there was no way they could compete with that open of a checkbook.

CLW
04-02-2013, 07:39 AM
Enfield cashing in on the FGCU success, and is bolting for USC.

wow :USC: is a BAD (major) basketballl job. if he wanted to bolt he probably should have went to any other power conference opening or waited another year before bolting.

JBHuskers
04-02-2013, 10:02 AM
Kinda surprising because he's already rich from selling his dot com business. But I guess you can't ever have too much money.

JBHuskers
04-03-2013, 03:05 PM
Tubby Smith gets fired from Minnesota, gets hired right away at Texas Tech, Tubby's position in Minneosota is filled by Rick Petino's son Richard.

ram29jackson
04-04-2013, 03:45 PM
anyone google the picture of the Kevin Ware injury ?.....uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

http://www.chillnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/kevin-ware-broken-leg.jpg

souljahbill
04-04-2013, 04:41 PM
anyone google the picture of the Kevin Ware injury ?.....uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

http://www.chillnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/kevin-ware-broken-leg.jpg

Our best receiver had the same injury this year except my guy didn't have the bone break the skin and it was closer to the ankle.