2012 College Football Discussion Thread

[JBHuskers]

Talk about the season here. Predictions, thoughts on gameday, etc.

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/deathtothebcs.jpeg

[CLW]

:Duke: runs the table and wins the National Championship. Oh shizzle thought this was the college bball thread. :smh:

[JBHuskers]

:Duke: runs the table and wins the National Championship. Oh shizzle thought this was the college bball thread. :smh:

At least you'll be in others receiving votes. Or did Spurrier quit doing that? :D

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[psuexv]

Prediction - Penn State gets mentioned by ESPN 9,934,543 times throughout the season.

[JBHuskers]

That's how many times they'll show where the Joe Paterno statue was too.

[jaymo76]

I have a feeling that Michigan State will have a HUGE year and take home the BIG 10. As for my Sun Devils... it will be a long season.

[SCClassof93]

This may have been posted somewhere else.

Great site for schedules and tv times.
http://www.fbschedules.com/

[CLW]

:Missouri: is clearly NOT ready for football in the :SEC:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/gary-pinkel-shoos-exercising-coeds-away-mizzou-practice-151740178--ncaaf.html

[JBHuskers]

Tyrann Mathieu is looking to transfer? Whuh?

[JBHuskers]

That came from ESPN, now this comes from CBS Sports:

BREAKING NEWS: LSU cornerback Tyrann Mathieu, a 2011 Heisman finalist, has been dismissed from the football team.

[psuexv]

That came from ESPN, now this comes from CBS Sports:

BREAKING NEWS: LSU cornerback Tyrann Mathieu, a 2011 Heisman finalist, has been dismissed from the football team.


We welcome him with open arms if he wants to play at PSU. We'll cover up his issues

[souljahbill]

We welcome him with open arms if he wants to play at PSU. We'll cover up his issues

He's gotta go down to play. Sorry. Still can't help you.

[JBHuskers]

He's gotta go down to play. Sorry. Still can't help you.

Well, maybe....

[souljahbill]

Here ya go:
http://www.wwl.com/pages/13952735.php?contentType=4&contentId=11214768

Since this is a local story, when I hear what happened, I'll let y'all know if ESPN doesn't get it first.

[psuexv]

Well, maybe....

LOL, :fp: that was my first take on it too. Took me a second to realize what he meant.

[psuexv]

He's gotta go down to play. Sorry. Still can't help you.

Isn't he a JR? So he could sit out this year and play as a SR for the Lions :nod:

[JBHuskers]

Isn't he a JR? So he could sit out this year and play as a Detriot Lion :nod:

Fixed.

[CLW]

Wow he must raped the Coach's daughter or killed his momma or something to get kicked off the team. Either that or Les Miles is more upstanding than the VAST MAJORITY of the coaches in today's collegiate athletics.

[souljahbill]

Wow he must raped the Coach's daughter or killed his momma or something to get kicked off the team. Either that or Les Miles is more upstanding than the VAST MAJORITY of the coaches in today's collegiate athletics.

He's been feeling himself and buying into his own hype. Remember that he was suspended last year for smoking mojos so I wouldn't be surprised if he hit it again.

[JBHuskers]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhreCLlcq3Q

[souljahbill]

Rumor has it that LSU #7 got caught smoking again. Not surprised.

Edit: http://img.tapatalk.com/a6937811-743d-02cf.jpg

[JeffHCross]

Isn't he a JR? So he could sit out this year and play as a SR for the Lions :nod:He's a true Junior. He can redshirt this year and play next for any FBS team.

[JeffHCross]

I post this without comment:
http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1155973/A0Blj3RCMAAjoSL_medium.jpg

[souljahbill]

I post this without comment:
http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1155973/A0Blj3RCMAAjoSL_medium.jpg

UTSA?

[baseballplyrmvp]

chickens?

[gschwendt]

http://www.sbnation.com/2012/8/11/3235709/virginia-tech-turkey-tracks-helmet-photo#storyjump

[baseballplyrmvp]

Rumor has it that LSU #7 got caught smoking again. Not surprised.

Edit: http://img.tapatalk.com/a6937811-743d-02cf.jpg

no doubt about it now. lsu definitely doesnt deserve its #1 ranking anymore.

[SCClassof93]

chickens?

You got something against chickens, huh?
http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs1/1738398_o.gif

[baseballplyrmvp]

You got something against chickens, huh?
http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs1/1738398_o.gif

no....obviously, though, i cant tell the difference between turkey and chicken tracks.

[JeffHCross]

no....obviously, though, i cant tell the difference between turkey and chicken tracks.I don't think you're alone. All I could think about was http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb57526/looneytunes/images/0/0b/Foghorn-Leghorn.jpg.

[morsdraconis]

I don't think you're alone. All I could think about was http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb57526/looneytunes/images/0/0b/Foghorn-Leghorn.jpg.

Same here. I was tryin' to figure out who had chickens as their mascot.

[baseballplyrmvp]

i was also thinking utsa, as they're the road runners, but turkey tracks never crossed my mind.

[souljahbill]

I don't think you're alone. All I could think about was http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb57526/looneytunes/images/0/0b/Foghorn-Leghorn.jpg.

I thought this
http://www.unitedwaytriangle.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/road-runner3.jpg

[JeffHCross]

No matter how you feel about the whole Urban Meyer / Florida / Ohio State / retirement / un-retirement thing ... this is a pretty eye-opening article about Urban on ESPN.com (and soon to be in ESPN the Mag). http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8239451/ohio-state-coach-urban-meyer-new-commitment-balancing-work-family-life

I'm not convinced that a man can completely turn himself around like Urban is trying to ... but I'm rooting for it. Not because he's the Buckeyes coach, but because I don't want to see anyone literally coach themselves into their grave. And I'd love to see someone give us another reminder that you can win (or work hard at any profession) and still be a family man.

[jaymo76]

No matter how you feel about the whole Urban Meyer / Florida / Ohio State / retirement / un-retirement thing ... this is a pretty eye-opening article about Urban on ESPN.com (and soon to be in ESPN the Mag). http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8239451/ohio-state-coach-urban-meyer-new-commitment-balancing-work-family-life

I'm not convinced that a man can completely turn himself around like Urban is trying to ... but I'm rooting for it. Not because he's the Buckeyes coach, but because I don't want to see anyone literally coach themselves into their grave. And I'd love to see someone give us another reminder that you can win (or work hard at any profession) and still be a family man.

Thanks for sharing Jeff. That was an excellent read. I can totally relate to a lot of that story with regards to my career. Having children was what brought me balance. Nothing is more important than family, nothing.

[ram29jackson]

I post this without comment:
http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1155973/A0Blj3RCMAAjoSL_medium.jpg

animal rights activists should protest this....

[baseballplyrmvp]

animal rights activists should protest this....

did you get all excited when you first saw this helmet? :D

[SmoothPancakes]

did you get all excited when you first saw this helmet? :D

No, but I got a craving for some KFC.

[JBHuskers]

I think it would have been better if they put this on their helmet instead.

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/50333_37031292416_3719800_n.jpg

[baseballplyrmvp]

i say, i say, i say, now thats a good ideer.

[JBHuskers]

i say, i say, i say, now thats a good ideer.

:D

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[morsdraconis]

:up:

Quality comedy my good sir.

[psusnoop]

:D I want some KFC!!

[baseballplyrmvp]

:D I want some KFC!!

this might be weird,
it might sound crazy,
but here's some kfc,
you big psu baby!

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/forkintheroad/bucket.gif

[jaymo76]

Anything more been heard about the WAC situation? Is it dead after this year are is it still up in the air. I really feel for Idaho is this whole messy situation.

[SmoothPancakes]

Anything more been heard about the WAC situation? Is it dead after this year are is it still up in the air. I really feel for Idaho is this whole messy situation.

I don't see how it can't be dead. They have no one left but Idaho and New Mexico State.

[gschwendt]

I know that Idaho has recently put out feelers for getting a home game. The guy that runs our ASU message board is incredibly smart when it comes to college athletics and recently proposed that Arkansas State offer Idaho or New Mexico State a 2 for 2 contract for games with 2 held in Jonesboro, one held in Moscow or Las Cruces, and the other held in Little Rock with Idaho or NMSU counting it as a neutral-site home game. We've been looking recently at returning to having a home game in Little Rock so that would essentially kill two birds with one stone... wouldn't have to give up a Jonesboro home game but would also give a Little Rock game.

Obviously our administration probably isn't even considering it (though we did just fire our AD recently)... certainly would be interesting though.

[JeffHCross]

Saw this on Twitter.

wat?

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8296/7883931584_28f5470bbc_k.jpg (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8296/7883931584_28f5470bbc_k.jpg)

[baseballplyrmvp]

i'm assuming the dude is breaking down each state into which counties follow which schools, but some of it doesnt make any sense in the leastbit. more counties in alabama follow :UAB: than :Auburn:?????

[souljahbill]

i'm assuming the dude is breaking down each state into which counties follow which schools, but some of it doesnt make any sense in the leastbit. more counties in alabama follow :UAB: than :Auburn:?????

According to that map, more people follow UTSA than UT.

[baseballplyrmvp]

According to that map, more people follow UTSA than UT.

i saw that....so i'm stumped as to what it actually is as well. :dunno:

[baseballplyrmvp]

lol....looking at that map, it shows southern miss fans in mississippi. for some reason, i always thought they were located in missouri. :fp:

[JeffHCross]

According to that map, more people follow UTSA than UT.Psst. Look at Michigan. Or Miami.

some of it doesnt make any sense in the leastbit.Some? Most. :D

[SCClassof93]

Just look at Louisiana :D still fun/cool to check out :up:

[souljahbill]

Just look at Louisiana :D still fun/cool to check out :up:

Yeah, there is NO WAY Tulane and UL-Lafayette hold that type of clout. Tulane is a DISTANT 3rd in New Orleans mindshare (behind the Saints and LSU) so for them to have all of southeast LA green is laughable. And UL-Lafayette splits mindshare in its own damn city with LSU fans (in fact, UL loyalists HATE it when people where LSU gear on UL's campus). In Lafayette, it's far easier to get LSU "things" then Ragin Cajun "stuff."

[gschwendt]

Yeah, there is NO WAY Tulane and UL-Lafayette hold that type of clout. Tulane is a DISTANT 3rd in New Orleans mindshare (behind the Saints and LSU) so for them to have all of southeast LA green is laughable. And UL-Lafayette splits mindshare in its own damn city with LSU fans (in fact, UL loyalists HATE it when people where LSU gear on UL's campus).
Same goes for Arkansas State fans hating when swine stuff is worn on our campus... particularly students wearing it on campus. I don't have a problem with anyone that has a connection supporting the Razorbacks but when their only connection is that they bought a t-shirt at Wal-Mart, then I have a problem and sadly there are quite a few of those types of fans.

[JeffHCross]

Glad the rest of you had as much head-scratching and laughter about it as I did. :D

[NatureBoy]

Change in compensation sought

In a surprising move that, if successful, could lead to much greater financial rewards for many college athletes, lawyers representing former college football and men's basketball players told a federal court that they now seek to change the way current athletes are compensated for the use of their images.

In filing to have their lawsuit against the NCAA certified as a class action, the attorneys argued that monies derived from television, video games and other products that use athletes' names, images and likeness should be shared with players -- and can be "temporarily held in trust for those individuals until cessation of their collegiate careers" if the NCAA feels it needs to abide its notions of amateur sports.

No monetary figures are disclosed in the public copy of the motion, filed Friday night in U.S. District Court in California. Heavy redactions of information were made by the plaintiffs. But a source close to the lawsuit -- filed in 2009 with Ed O'Bannon and other former athletes -- told ESPN that the new angle could deliver "hundreds of thousands" of dollars each year to Division I basketball players.

Football players, who are more plentiful, could get less -- "tens of thousands," according to the source.

The attorneys argued that monies derived from television, video games and other products that use athletes' names, images and likeness should be shared with players -- and can be "temporarily held in trust for those individuals until cessation of their collegiate careers" if the NCAA feels it needs to abide its notions of amateur sports.

"I'm sure the NCAA will go ballistic over this," said another source, a member of the plaintiffs' legal team, told ESPN. "This is their worst nightmare, this issue coming front and center this deep into the case."

Asked why make a case for current players now, the source said, "Now we have evidence. And so much more has happened since we originally filed our lawsuit -- new media deals, new scandals."

An NCAA spokesperson was unavailable for comment.

Lawyers for the plaintiffs have been gathering financial information about the NCAA, conferences and individual athletic departments. In their recent filing, they propose that players share in revenues produced from their names, images and likenesses much in the manner of those in the NFL and NBA.

Using an analysis by Stanford professor Roger Noll, the lawyers suggest a "50-50 split for telecasts and a one-third split for video games, based on recognized economic principles, examples from professional sports, and examples from music artists' licensing." They also propose "equal allocations among all members of a team in a given year, and these team members are then further divided according to whether they were current or former players at the time that the revenue was generated."

The filing quotes from depositions by, among others, NCAA president Mark Emmert, although his quotes are blacked out in the copy submitted to the court. The legal team member for the plaintiffs who spoke to ESPN said it was initially redacted because the deposition was stamped "confidential" by the NCAA.

Another figure cited in the filing was Walter Byers, the NCAA's first executive director. He ran the organization from 1951 to 1988, and since retiring has rarely surfaced, living on his ranch in Kansas. But he agreed to be deposed in the lawsuit, a coup for the plaintiffs, as Byers wrote a book after he left the NCAA that repudiated the amateur model as a means of diverting money away from players.

Other defendants include the video-games-maker Electronic Arts and the nation's largest college trademark licensing and marketing firm, Collegiate Licensing Co. Besides O'Bannon, who starred at UCLA, plaintiffs include Oscar Robertson, Bill Russell, former UConn star Tate George and many others.

The players claim that the NCAA broke anti-trust law by working together to prevent current and former athletes from negotiating for or receiving any benefit from licensing agreements that used their names, images or likenesses. The lawsuit says the NCAA allowed EA to make video games with "the purpose of having the game avatars match as closely as possible the real-life characteristics" of actual athletes.

As a condition of NCAA participation, athletes are required to sign forms that forever relinquish all rights pertaining to the use of their names and images, whether in TV contracts, jersey sales, video games or otherwise. O'Bannon and other former players object to the NCAA and member schools continuing to sell archival materials without compensation well after they stopped playing college sports.

The NCAA's embrace of amateurism as a principle dates back nearly a century. But the aggressive pursuit of ballooning television and other revenues has placed considerable tension on the model, as have ethical scandals at colleges such as Penn State, USC, Ohio State and Miami. At the same time, NCAA member schools have been reluctant to share more of their revenue with athletes.

The team of plaintiffs' lawyers is led by Michael Hausfeld, a prominent Washington, D.C.,-based litigator who specializes in class-action lawsuits related to human rights, discrimination and anti-trust law.


http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8324732/new-motion-lawsuit-ncaa-change-how-athletes-compensated

[SmoothPancakes]

Damn, Naitch beat me to it. :D

Regardless, my response. :popcorn:

[NatureBoy]

'Student-athlete' term in question

While presenting a unified front publicly and in the courts that athletes are being fairly treated, NCAA leaders privately agonized over the growing use of athlete images in commercial products, with one senior executive proposing to drop the term "student-athlete" after a half century of official use.


The philosophical divide emerges in depositions and frank emails unsealed this week in a class-action lawsuit by former UCLA basketball star Ed O'Bannon and other players who challenge the NCAA's licensing of their images to video games manufacturers and other third parties.


In one internal email sent after the lawsuit was filed in 2009, University of Nebraska chancellor Harvey Perlman wrote to then-Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe that he disagrees with the NCAA's legal defense that it can sell publicity rights without any compensation to the players.


"This whole area of name and likeness and the NCAA is a disaster leading to catastrophe as far as I can tell," wrote Perlman, a former member of the NCAA Board of Directors and law professor specializing in intellectual property. "I'm still trying to figure out by what authority the NCAA licenses these rights to the game makers and others. I looked at what our student athletes sign by way of waiver and it doesn't come close."


Objecting strongly to Perlman was Chris Plonsky, a longtime University of Texas administrator who oversees women's sports for the Longhorns. She wrote that athletes "voluntarily" sign the standard release waiver that is required for participation in NCAA sports.


"We're like a version of the Army," Plonsky wrote. "We have certain things we have to do a certain way to raise funds and pay for the scholarships and other things s-a's (student-athletes) and their parents expect."

In a separate exchange, Wallace Renfro, NCAA senior policy advisor, wrote a memo to new president Mark Emmert after Emmert was hired to run the organization in 2010. Lawyers for the plaintiffs cited the memo, an analysis of issues confronting the NCAA titled "Looking Forward," in deposition of Renfro on June 26.

"Maybe we don't call them student-athletes any longer and just refer to them as students," Renfro wrote.

In the email to Emmert, Renfro, who has worked at the NCAA since the 1970s, notes that the term student-athlete is one "that Walter Byers created to counter the criticism that we are paying college athletes when we began providing grants-in-aid." Byers was the first executive director of the NCAA, retiring in 1988 after 37 years, and a grant-in-aid is the term of art used by the NCAA to describe an athletic scholarship.

The lawsuit claims the NCAA violates anti-trust laws by preventing universities from allowing athletes to be compensated above the value of a grant-in aid  room, board, books and fees. The discovery submitted to the court represents a small fraction of the documents collected in what has become a landmark test of the NCAA's governance and notions about college athletes.

"I'd rather not comment on the evidence itself," said Michael Hausfeld, lead attorney for the plaintiffs, when contacted Tuesday by ESPN. "But I will say the documents expose how the principle of amateurism was not a bedrock against the NCAA's commercialization of college sports."

An NCAA spokesman did not respond to an ESPN request for comment on the legal disclosures, and how they might affect the viability of the NCAA defending itself in the case. The O'Bannon case is scheduled to go to trial in early 2014, pending a judge's ruling on class certification.


A stalwart of the NCAA's economic model that redistributes money from revenue sports to other parts of the athletic department and university, Renfro proposed a re-focusing of sports on the educational mission of universities. At the same time, he conceded that the philosophy underpinning the model has become antiquated -- and even posed whether the time has come to allow athletes to hire agents.

"We have always had a cradle-to-grave approach to amateurism," Renfro wrote. "You are born an amateur, but like innocence once lost, it cannot be regained. But our commitment to amateurism and the commitment of our public's has often been based on something other than how we define amateurism in our own constitution. In the most romantic sense we think of amateurism as playing sports for the love of the game, for the camaraderie among competitors, for the pride of victory for school or colors, and then we use this romanticized sense of amateurism to define the entire enterprise of collegiate athletics."

Renfro said that Emmert never responded to his memo. When pressed by lawyers in the deposition, he characterized his ideas in the memo as discussion points, not endorsements.

In one note, Plonsky disparaged football and men's basketball players for bringing the lawsuit. Plaintiffs include former Arizona State quarterback Sam Keller, and basketball stars Oscar Robertson, Bill Russell and Tate George, whose lawyers have proposed to the court that athletes receive a cut of licensing and broadcast contracts with monies going into a fund that can be accessed after their college careers.

"I view these cases as being the result of the entitlement attitude we've created in our revenue sports," Plonsky wrote. "We now have threatening s-a's -- many of whom, based on grad rates of the '80s and '90s, sucked a whole lot off the college athletics pipe -- and now want to buckle the system at the knees of the expense of today's s-a's."

Perlman, after reading her note, pushed back. "I am very much opposed to her suggestion," he wrote, "I have yet to have anyone define for me the 'values of higher education' in a way that is consistent with commercial exploitation of a student athletes name or likeness. & As soon as it becomes commercialtied to selling a product -- I don't think we should be doing it."

The NCAA and Electronic Arts, which produces a video game on college football, argues that the avatars depicted in the game are not based on the likenesses of actual players. The plaintiffs counter that the characteristics of individual players are so similar to those shown in the video game that there must be a direct connection.

Correspondence released Monday appears to support that athletes' contention. In one email exchange from July 2007, an executive with the Collegiate Licensing Company (CLC), which represents the NCAA and its member schools, noted that EA Sports was using real player names to develop the latest game internally, with plans to strip them out before release to the public.

"Just a heads up, in case schools ask you this  all of EA's latest 2008 March Madness basketball submissions have current players names on the jerseys in the game," wrote Wendy Harmon, a CLC marketing coordinator. "I have called Gina Ferranti at EA about this (she submits all of these basketball ones) and she assured me that they will not be using those in the final version. She said they have to put the players names in so it will calculate the correct stats but then they take them off. Just don't want the schools to freak out  she said a few have already commented on it in their approval."

An hour later, CLC senior vice president and managing director Derek Eiler forwarded the email, notifying other top executives. He wrote, "Just an FYI on this in case word reaches the NCAA. This is exactly the type of thing that could submarine the game if it got into the media."

CLC is the nation's leading trademark licensing and marketing company, representing more than 200 universities and colleges, bowl games and athletic conferences, as well as the NCAA. In that capacity, according to the CLC website, the company helps institutions protect, manage and develop their brands.

Despite that relationship with the NCAA and its members schools, the CLC explored the possibility of representing players after the Keller-O'Bannon lawsuits were filed, according to documents. At a company retreat in September 2009, senior leadership introduced the idea of organizing former players into an entity called the "College Vault Players Association," whose purpose, according to an email by one CLC executive, would be to "do whatever is necessary to assure that the licensing and marketing rights of former collegiate student athletes are protected and revenue opportunities are pursued."


The CLC's proposed 16 founding members of the CVPA would include Michael Jordan, Brian Bosworth, Dick Butkus, Joe Montana, John Elway, Deion Sanders and the Manning brothers. It is unclear from the document whether those players had been contacted or were on board with the plan to negotiate with their schools. The CVPA would pursue deals with companies in a range of sectors, including trading cards, games, videos, jerseys, books, photographs and collectibles.

One of CLC's top executives was intrigued enough with the idea that he wondered if the group should expand beyond former players. On December 30, 2009, senior vice president Cory Z. Moss asked, "Should we really begin work on a formal College Student Athlete Players Association (current and former) to be ready depending on the results of the EA lawsuits?"

While CLC was moving fast to capitalize on new revenue opportunities related to athlete images, so was the NCAA under former president Myles Brand -- until the lawsuit was filed. In 2007, a CLC executive reported that the NCAA, with the aid of former senior executive Greg Shaheen, had begun to embrace the potential of its relationship with the EA Sports games.

"The NCAA now (finally) sees EA as an important tool to allow them to reach young people with the values associated with intercollegiate athletics," wrote Pat Battle, a CLC manager. "As a result of all this, Greg has gotten me in front of & Myles, and they are now viewing what they do on our behalf as mission critical. It has been pretty cool to watch.

"The primary purpose of this meeting was to lobby for the rights to use rosters in video games, including the names of players on jerseys within the game. While it will still take some time (probably 12-18 months) to go through the NCAA legislative process, Greg is now confident that we will get this done. That will be a huge win for us and EA."

The NCAA did not move forward with the proposal through its legislative process. However, gamers later did gain the ability to use a back door to attaching names to the avatars, through software available on the internet that was compatible with the EA Sports game.

In his interview with ESPN, Hausfeld characterized the documents released by his legal team as insightful into the NCAA's business model, as a trade organization for member colleges.

"For the first time, we are getting behind the veil of the so-called principle of amateurism," he said. "The principle is being tested by what was known by the NCAA and what they did to address its challenges."

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8396753/ncaa-policy-chief-proposes-dropping-student-athlete-term

[ram29jackson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA1sOp8YgTs

[NatureBoy]

Big East to approve 2-division format

The Big East's presidents are expected to approve a two-division format Tuesday for the 2013 and 2014 seasons.

Sources told ESPN that for the purpose of football, the conference will be divided into a western division of Boise State, Houston, Memphis, San Diego State, SMU and Temple, and an eastern division of Central Florida, Cincinnati, UConn, Louisville, Rutgers and South Florida.

All the schools were pretty clear cut as to belonging in the western or eastern division, except Temple, which, pending approval, will be placed in the western division.

Earlier reports called for the divisions to be called Red and Blue, instead being named geographically but that is now unclear, sources said.

These divisions will be used for the Big East only when it's a 12-team league in 2013 and 2014 because, sources said, they create clear identities for the divisions, preserve rivalries and create new ones, and minimize travel.

Conference and school officials also are expected to discuss how the league's schedule -- five games against division opponents and three crossover games -- might look in 2013 and 2014.

These divisions could change drastically when the Big East grows to 14 teams in 2015 when the league adds Navy and another school yet to be determined.

Sources told ESPN in September that the league prefers another team from the West as its 14th member, most likely BYU or Air Force.

League officials already have discussed how to split the divisions when the Big East grows to 14 teams. Sources said the most popular 14-team model would be Red and Blue divisions that are nongeographic.

The proposed Red Division in 2015 would consist of Louisville, UConn, Memphis, Navy, San Diego State, USF and SMU, while the Blue Division would consist of Boise State, Cincinnati, UCF, Houston, Rutgers, Temple and the 14th team.

Each team would play six games within its division and two games against the other division, including one permanent cross-division game. The annual cross-division games would be Cincinnati-Louisville, UConn-Rutgers, Boise State-San Diego State, Houston-SMU, Navy-Temple, UCF-USF and Memphis versus the 14th team.

Those division lineups could be tweaked to appease the Big East's future TV partners and increase the worth of the media rights deal.

ESPN's exclusive window to renegotiate with the Big East recently expired, allowing the league to go to the open market in hopes of securing the most lucrative media rights deal. Besides ESPN, the Big East also has had interest from NBC and Fox, sources said.

The Big East's presidents and league officials are meeting Tuesday in Rosemont, Ill.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8626297/big-east-presidents-expected-approve-divisions-tuesday

[NatureBoy]

AFCA Announces 2012 FBS All-America Team

Baylor wide receiver Terrance Williams and South Carolina defensive lineman Jadeveon Clowney headline the 2012 AFCA FBS Coaches’ All-America Team announced today by the American Football Coaches Association.

The AFCA has selected an All-America team since 1945 and currently selects teams in all five of its divisions. What makes these teams so special is that they are the only ones chosen exclusively by the men who know the players the best — the coaches themselves.

Williams leads the nation in total receiving yards with 1,693, and averages 153.91 yards per game, which is also tops in the nation. He has 89 receptions and 12 touchdowns, and is a finalist for the Biletnikoff Award, as the nation’s best receiver. Clowney leads the nation in tackles for loss with 21.5 this season, and is tied for first with 13 sacks. He is a finalist for the Bednarik Award, Bronko Nagurski Trophy and Rotary Lombardi Award.

http://www.afca.com/article/article.php?id=2274

[JeffHCross]

It is an absolute joke if Georgia drops below Florida after that performance. That's pretty much exactly the performance you would expect from a team ranked slightly below Alabama. And if you legitimately think Florida would have given a better effort, sure, rank them higher than Georgia. However, I, personally, think Florida would have been run out of the building by Bama. Georgia deserves the Sugar Bowl. Florida doesn't. IMO.

[souljahbill]

Informal poll: Who spikes the ball on 1st and Goal in GA's situation besides me?

[steelerfan]

Informal poll: Who spikes the ball on 1st and Goal in GA's situation besides me?

Every single time.

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[JeffHCross]

Informal poll: Who spikes the ball on 1st and Goal in GA's situation besides me?If you can get the to the line and call a play, without much more time going off, you can actually lose less time than with a spike ball. They had a good call, though they spent more time than they should have.

The mistake was by the WR who caught the ball off the tip. He should have knocked that ball down, though I can totally understand the instinct is to catch the ball.

I, personally, would have spiked it. But I didn't mind the call not to.

[JeffHCross]

Speaking of conference realignment ... it is extremely weird to me that, tonight, the primetime Big XII game is on ABC while the primetime B1G TEN game is on Fox. Those two have been reversed all season. Yay TV contracts!

[Escobar]

Informal poll: Who spikes the ball on 1st and Goal in GA's situation besides me?

On that play the two things that could've happened to stop Georgia did (the pass tip and the WR slipping after the catch). If you watch the replay the WR was running an out and had clear space to make a catch and run for the TD. The tip deflected the ball, but the play still could have been made. After the WR made the catch, he starts to turn to make the run but slips because he jumped and came down off balance after the deflection.

[JeffHCross]

They actually weren't throwing the out. The ball was intended for the outside receiver on a fade.

[souljahbill]

Not spiking was still too big of a gamble, at least for my taste. With that much on the line, I'm spiking.

[steelerfan]

ESPN SC NCAAF - Notre Dame LB Manti Te'o wins Butkus Award (top LB) and Nagurski Award (top defensive player).

:))

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[morsdraconis]

Definitely deserving of both. Hopefully he wins the Heisman as well, otherwise, they need to just change the description for it to the best offensive player of the year award. I may hate Notre Dame, but there's no doubt that Te'o is one of the HUGE reasons that Notre Dame is in the MNC game and he's, by far, been the most consistent player in the NCAA this year at a VERY high level (opponent mirth aside).

[steelerfan]

Definitely deserving of both. Hopefully he wins the Heisman as well, otherwise, they need to just change the description for it to the best offensive player of the year award. I may hate Notre Dame, but there's no doubt that Te'o is one of the HUGE reasons that Notre Dame is in the MNC game and he's, by far, been the most consistent player in the NCAA this year at a VERY high level (opponent mirth aside).

Um, the Irish have a top 25 SoS and beat 10 bowl eligible teams. Did anyone else even play 10 bowl eligible opponents?

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[JBHuskers]

Seems like most indications are that Manziel will win. Obviously it's not fact yet, but that's the sentiment from a lot of writers.

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[steelerfan]

ESPN SC NCAAF - Notre Dame defensive coordinator Bob Diaco wins Broyles Award as the nation's top assistant coach.

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[JeffHCross]

The 1984 BYU Cougars and the 1983 Miami Hurricanes are the only champs to start the year outside of the Top 25 and finish on top since 1982.Notre Dame has a chance to do something that hasn't been done in the BCS era at all, and only done twice in my lifetime (the 1984 Orange Bowl finished roughly 12 hours before I was born).

[morsdraconis]

Notre Dame has a chance to do something that hasn't been done in the BCS era at all, and only done twice in my lifetime (the 1984 Orange Bowl finished roughly 12 hours before I was born).

Only someone like Notre Dame or Florida State would be able to pull off getting from outside the Top 25 to #1 because, otherwise, it's like they have to prove that they belong there before they get voted higher than 5 or 10 (like every team outside of the BCS conferences has to deal with, even after going undefeated).

I mean, Utah in 2004 is the perfect example. Went undefeated, blasted a pretty decent Texas A&M team (finished 8-4) 41-21 and blasted a pretty decent North Carolina team (finished 7-5) 46-16, yet they never made it higher than 6. Then, to make matters worse, they don't get to prove it against anyone good because they get stuck with a TERRIBLE Pittsburgh team who they proceed to DESTROY in their bowl game.

Of course, that was the year that Auburn got left out and we had 5 undefeated teams at the end of the year. If ever there was a year for a playoff, that would have been the one. Auburn, USC, Oklahoma, Utah and Boise State all undefeated. Throw in a 1 loss team (Texas, California, Louisville) and you have a pretty awesome 6 team playoff.

[steelerfan]

ESPN SC NCAAF - Notre Dame's Brian Kelly wins Home Depot Coach of the Year; TE Tyler Eifert wins John Mackey Award

Boy, the Irish are cleaning up with the awards. Good to see.

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[NatureBoy]

Jadeveon Clowney named top DE

CHICAGO -- South Carolina's Jadeveon Clowney has won the 2012 Ted Hendricks Award, becoming the first sophomore chosen as the nation's top defensive end.


Clowney set a school record for sacks (13), tackles for loss in a season (21½) and sacks in a single game (4½ vs. Clemson). He was chosen for the All-Southeastern Conference team earlier this week.


The other finalists were Morgan Breslin from Southern California, Tank Carradine and Bjoern Werner from Florida State, Sam Montgomery from LSU and Damontre Moore from Texas A&M.

[steelerfan]

Well deserved. Clowney is a badass.

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[steelerfan]

ESPN SC NCAAF - Notre Dame LB Manti Te'o wins Walter Camp Player of the Year Award

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[morsdraconis]

ESPN SC NCAAF - Notre Dame LB Manti Te'o wins Walter Camp Player of the Year Award

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:up:

Hope he wins the Heisman as well. Anyone else for it is a fuckin' joke.

[steelerfan]

:up:

Hope he wins the Heisman as well. Anyone else for it is a fuckin' joke.

Obviously, I do too. But no matter who he played for, I would want him to win. Besides being an incredible player, he is a model citizen and a real leader. Additionally, for a MLB just to be mentioned as a Heisman candidate is unreal. Anytime a defensive player had a shot I would definitely root for them.

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[steelerfan]

ESPN SC NCAAF - Notre Dame LB Manti Te'o wins Chuck Bednarik Award for Defensive Player of the Year

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[JeffHCross]

Only someone like Notre Dame or Florida State would be able to pull off getting from outside the Top 25 to #1In the unlikely event that a BCS conference team was outside the Top 25 and turned into a contender, they'd certainly be able to climb from outside to #1. Auburn climbed from #22 to #1.

[steelerfan]

ESPN SC NCAAF - Notre Dame LB Manti Te'o wins Maxwell Award for Most Outstanding Player; 2nd defensive player to win

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[SmoothPancakes]

Doesn't look good for Te'o. They were just talking on Fox Sports on our AM station here at work, some website that tries to get a hold of as many Heisman voters as they can are saying that it looks like Manziel is going to run away with it. Manziel wins the Heisman, Te'o second, Klein third.

[morsdraconis]

:smh:

A fuckin' freshman QB on a 10-2 team winning the Heisman is as much of a fuckin' joke as Griffin winning it last year was.

:smh:

[JeffHCross]

A fuckin' freshman QB on a 10-2 team winning the Heisman is as much of a fuckin' joke as Griffin winning it last year was.Good grief, mors. Really?

[morsdraconis]

Good grief, mors. Really?

How can you be the best player in the nation on a team that's lost 2+ games on the season and had a backup come in and player just as well (if not better) than he were already playing?

I guess the Heisman doesn't mean what it used to mean, because it certainly doesn't seem like it.

[JeffHCross]

Suffice to say: I disagree.

[oweb26]

How can you be the best player in the nation on a team that's lost 2+ games on the season and had a backup come in and player just as well (if not better) than he were already playing?

I guess the Heisman doesn't mean what it used to mean, because it certainly doesn't seem like it.

Best player, not best player on best team. Though I will say that the system you run has a crap ton to do with your stats, college football isn't as bland as it once was so there is not a clear player anymore, I would love Tae'o to win it (as much as they talk about ND to nausea) but this is really just an offensive player award no matter how much they say otherwise.

[JeffHCross]

It's worth noting that the Heisman is given to the "most outstanding" player. Only the AP Player of the Year award is also given to that designation. (According to Wikipedia)

[morsdraconis]

It's worth noting that the Heisman is given to the "most outstanding" player. Only the AP Player of the Year award is also given to that designation.

How the AP Player of the Year and the Heisman can be different (which it will be since Te'o won it and it's clear that ESPN and everyone else is pushing for Texas A&M's QB to win the Heisman) blows me away. They're the exact same award, yet they are almost ALWAYS completely different winners (and, most of the time, the consolation prize for the player that should be winning the Heisman instead of the sexy pick).

[JeffHCross]

How the AP Player of the Year and the Heisman can be differentUhm, you sure? AP Player of the Year Award (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_Press_College_Football_Player_of_the_Ye ar_Award). It's been awarded 14 times (not yet awarded in 2012). Of those 14, only 4 have differed from the Heisman, and only once (Suh vs Ingram) since 2003. Based on two years ago, the AP award isn't awarded until near Christmas.

You must be thinking of either Walter Camp or Maxwell. Those aren't "most outstanding" awards. Which was my point.

[baseballplyrmvp]

this lady presenting the heisman needs to learn how to make a speech. :smh:

[SmoothPancakes]

Your 2012 Heisman Trophy winner...

Johnny Football!

[JeffHCross]

Get on with it, ESPN! You're into Bo's 30-for-30 time!

[SmoothPancakes]

*Awaits mors getting online and prepares plenty of popcorn for impending rant* :popcorn:

[CLW]

To the Johnny Football haters you do realize he broke the SEC all-time yardage record.

I thought this might be the year for a defensive player to win it but it just may not be possible. With all of the former winners (offensive guys) voting they may just not vote for someone that only plays D.

Hopefully, we get a defender on the cover of 14 with Te'o.

[gigemaggs99]

YAY!


YAY!!

YAY!!!!


I must tell you a silly sickening story, we were recording 2 other things on the DVR and they both end at the exact moment she said and the 2012 Heisman winner is....and it shut off! I almost puked.

Then it came back on and he was giving his dad a hug and we were like, did he win!?????

That was nerve-racking!

GO JOHNNY GO!

Gig 'Em Aggies!

Gus '99

[steelerfan]

Not to hate, I don't care enough to, but Johnny Football didn't do shit in aTm's 2 losses. In fact, he was horrible against LSU. Show me tape of a bad outing by Te'o. There isn't any.

That said, it was a given that Johnny Football would win. Good for him.

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[JeffHCross]

Not to hate, I don't care enough to, but Johnny Football didn't do shit in aTm's 2 losses.One of which was his first collegiate game. Not an excuse, but worth considering.

Show me tape of a bad outing by Te'o. There isn't any.Agreed. Over the course of the season, Te'o had a more consistently impressive season. But Manziel, in my personal opinion, had a more outstanding one.

[steelerfan]

One of which was his first collegiate game. Not an excuse, but worth considering.

Agreed. Over the course of the season, Te'o had a more consistently impressive season. But Manziel, in my personal opinion, had a more outstanding one.

For an award, it makes no difference that it was his first game. With the close loss to LSU, he was terrible and as responsible for the loss as he was for any win.

Your second statement, I won't necessarily refute. Besides, QBs win this award, MLBs don't. For Te'o, just being considered a finalist is a mega accomplishment.

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[JeffHCross]

For an award, it makes no difference that it was his first game.Sure it does. There are things you expect from seniors that you don't expect from freshmen. It doesn't excuse his performance, but while he was not sensational at all against Florida, he also didn't fuck up. That's above expectations for me, for a freshman. But that doesn't excuse LSU.

[JeffHCross]

Mount Union advances to play in their 8th consecutive Stagg Bowl (Division III championship). They won 48-35, scoring 34 points in the 4th quarter, and two touchdowns on the last two scrimmage plays of the game.

[morsdraconis]

*Awaits mors getting online and prepares plenty of popcorn for impending rant* :popcorn:

No reason to rant because I knew he was going to win. ESPN basically spun it as him winning it a week in fuckin' advance with all the dick sucking they gave him.

This is the 4th year in a row that the player that wins the Maxwell and AP Player of the Year doesn't win the Heisman. All I'm going to say is, how can you be considered the best player in the league by two awards and not win the Heisman? Seems entirely illogical to me.

[steelerfan]

Sure it does. There are things you expect from seniors that you don't expect from freshmen. It doesn't excuse his performance, but while he was not sensational at all against Florida, he also didn't fuck up. That's above expectations for me, for a freshman. But that doesn't excuse LSU.

Sorry, I disagree.

From what you say above, if a Freshman is simply a "game manager" who doesn't fuck up - he should be an award candidate. I disagree.

A voter should not think, "that's incredible, for a freshman". The standard is the standard, no matter what class the player is. The award is not designed to recognize which player had the best season while "considering his level of experience".

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[souljahbill]

I don't think 2 bad games should negate the 10 good games, especially since those 2 games were against 2 of the best defenses in the country. Defenses good enough to make any QB look bad. Had Florida or LSU's D locked down Notre Dame's O causing ND to lose, that would've cause Te'o's to almost be eliminated, even though it wouldn't have been directly his fault.

[baseballplyrmvp]

te'o never looks bad, though, out there playing defense. he only had 2 missed tackles all season. manziel, at times, runs around like a chicken with his head cut off. to me, thats not that impressive, when you're scrambling for your life and getting a lot of stats from broken plays.

[JBHuskers]

Te'o wasn't even the best defensive player in the country anyways. At least with Manziel, he had a better season than both Newton and Tebow.

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[steelerfan]

Te'o wasn't even the best defensive player in the country anyways. At least with Manziel, he had a better season than both Newton and Tebow.

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576

:p

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[JBHuskers]

Oh. Sorry to hit you with FACTS ;) :D

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[JeffHCross]

Actually, JB, if you account for what defense they played on (bad defenses allow more plays and have more opportunities for tackles), Te'o did have the best stats, overall.

Steeler, you're confusing my point about one game (Florida) with a whole season. He didn't fuck up in his first collegiate game, in the SEC, against a great defense. That's impressive, for a freshman. The LSU game sucked, I agree. But the rest of the season was impressive for anybody.

It's not surprising we disagree. The 1st place vote was practicality 60/40, after all.

[steelerfan]

Actually, JB, if you account for what defense they played on (bad defenses allow more plays and have more opportunities for tackles), Te'o did have the best stats, overall.

Steeler, you're confusing my point about one game (Florida) with a whole season. He didn't fuck up in his first collegiate game, in the SEC, against a great defense. That's impressive, for a freshman. The LSU game sucked, I agree. But the rest of the season was impressive for anybody.

It's not surprising we disagree. The 1st place vote was practicality 60/40, after all.

JB is amiss, as per usual.

I get what you're saying about JF, Jeff. I just feel that the best player on what is currently the best team in the country, a player whose team did not lose (therefore, he can't be accountable for a loss), and a player who didn't have a single bad game, should carry more weight than "look what this FRESHMAN did in God's Conference!!!1!11!!!1!1!!".

That said, I understand why/how JF won (Worldwide Leader in Hype/offensive award). He is deserving and what he did is very impressive.

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[morsdraconis]

I get what you're saying about JF, Jeff. I just feel that the best player on what is currently the best team in the country, a player whose team did not lose (therefore, he can't be accountable for a loss), and a player who didn't have a single bad game, should carry more weight than "look what this FRESHMAN did in God's Conference!!!1!11!!!1!1!!".

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Even more so when you consider the two teams out of that conference that were actually good that they played, they got beat and he played poorly in both games. It's dumb that he's basically won the award because of his game against Alabama when Te'o has games like that game against several teams. I mean, how many 4th down defensive stops have they had on the goal line to win the game this year? 3? It's simply ridiculous that one game is what some of these voters are basing their decisions on. Same thing happened last year with Griffin. Because of the amazing game that he had against Oklahoma (nevermind the atrocious losses they had to Texas A&M and Oklahoma State), he won the Heisman, nevermind that Andrew Luck had a MUCH better season (Oregon).

But, ESPN jumped on one player's bandwagon with a week before the Heisman voting happened and the rest is history.

[CLW]

Meh Johnny Football winning the Heisman isn't as bad as :Indiana: being ranked #1 in hoops over :Duke:. Compare the resumes and it isn't even close.

[JeffHCross]

I just feel that the best player on what is currently the best team in the country, a player whose team did not lose (therefore, he can't be accountable for a loss), and a player who didn't have a single bad game, should carry more weight than "look what this FRESHMAN did in God's Conference!!!1!11!!!1!1!!".In my opinion, that's why T'eo won the "best player" awards. "Best" and "Outstanding" are different things.

Though, in my opinion, "best player on best team" doesn't deserve consideration. That's how we end up with Torretta and Weinke. I think a question that a voter should ask themselves is "if he gave this performance and his team still lost, would I still be impressed?" Like Manziel ... if they had lost to Bama because of a defensive let down, would his performance against Bama have still been outstanding? Or T'eo ... if Tommy Rees had channeled his 2011 performance and started throwing picks late in games ... would T'eo have still been in consideration? I don't know the answer to either of those. I don't know that I could.

And FWIW, I've been wondering this since Troy won in 2006, with a ridiculous runaway margin.


how many 4th down defensive stops have they had on the goal line to win the game this year? 3?How many of those defensive stops was he directly involved in? How many, if an "average" linebacker was in there instead, would have still been made? I'm not sure. Stanford, for example, was much more of a mass of bodies than an individual play by an individual player. I watched a decent amount of Notre Dame this year, and while T'eo absolutely impressed me in all of those contests, he didn't take the game over. It would be very, very difficult to take a game over as a linebacker, and I realize that. But if we're voting for "most outstanding", then, damnit, you're going to need a performance that I thought was "outstanding". T'eo never had that this year, unless you count Michigan State under the circumstances he played. If it was an MVP award, I would have given it to him after that game and not considered anything the rest of the year.

Also, Luck had a much better season? Bullshit. I would agree it could have gone either way between them (much like I think it could have gone either way between T'eo and Manziel), but there was no significant separation between the two.

And yes, we live in a world of media hype. Shock!

[ryby6969]

Everyone is talking about ESPN and the SEC but how much talk did Te'o get because he lost his girlfriend and grandmother in the same week? That has been brought up in every single game he has played this season. Personally, I would have given the award to Klein just because everyone knew what was coming each week, and only 1 team "stopped" it.(Although K-States defense blew ass that game also)

[JeffHCross]

Personally, I would have given the award to Klein just because everyone knew what was coming each week, and only 1 team "stopped" it.(Although K-States defense blew ass that game also)Everybody knows I'm a huge Optimus Klein fan. But he just came unglued that week, and, since that was K-State's chance at a national championship bid, that hurt him a lot. And he didn't look that strong the week before (TCU) or after (Texas) either.

[ryby6969]

Everybody knows I'm a huge Optimus Klein fan. But he just came unglued that week, and, since that was K-State's chance at a national championship bid, that hurt him a lot. And he didn't look that strong the week before (TCU) or after (Texas) either.

I honestly think he was still not right from his concussion. He means everything for that offense and has for 2 seasons now.

[JBHuskers]

It is good to be Johnny Manziel Football Heisman. His girlfriend is model Sarah Savage (not sure if she's related to Fred).

http://slimcelebrity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Sarah-Savage-Johnny-Manziel-girlfriend.jpg

[souljahbill]

It is good to be Johnny Manziel Football Heisman. His girlfriend is model Sarah Savage (not sure if she's related to Fred).

http://slimcelebrity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Sarah-Savage-Johnny-Manziel-girlfriend.jpg

She's kinda skinny.......in an unattractive way.

[morsdraconis]

She's kinda skinny.......in an unattractive way.

I agree. Poor girl looks borderline anorexic.

[steelerfan]

Dude just won the Heisman. He can pull MUCH better ass than that now. And, if he doesn't, he's ***.

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[SmoothPancakes]

Dude just won the Heisman. He can pull MUCH better ass than that now. And, if he doesn't, he's ***.

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First freshman Heisman winner and first *** Heisman winner? Talk about setting firsts.

[steelerfan]

First freshman Heisman winner and first *** Heisman winner? Talk about setting firsts.

You're forgetting Tebow, bro.

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[morsdraconis]

:D :D :D

Nice!

[souljahbill]

I know I'd act *** to stand next to these.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/11/eqe2uvem.jpg
I may even be "turned straight" if she popped 'em out.


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[oweb26]

She's kinda skinny.......in an unattractive way.

I always judge a girl by how she would look without makeup, I don't think she has the looks without it and also she is going to not be that attractive when aging finally kicks and i'm talking mid 30s aging.

[psusnoop]

Here is JF's Mom

http://coedbc.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/image_147327.jpg?w=600&h=900


Might I also add AJ McCarron's mom Dee Dee who I meet and walked and chatted with for a while when Bama was up here playing PSU. She was really cool to talk from their tailgate to the gates (she had no idea where she was to go to get her tickets so I walked her and her family up to the gates). I think in my drunken state I sent a few of you guys a picture of her from my phone :)



http://coedbc.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/aj-mccarron-mom-boobs-lead1.jpg?w=600&h=868

I deleted the other picture I had of her on my phone but it was a nice picture with her decked out in Bama gear.

[souljahbill]

Here is JF's Mom

http://coedbc.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/image_147327.jpg?w=600&h=900


Might I also add AJ McCarron's mom Dee Dee who I meet and walked and chatted with for a while when Bama was up here playing PSU. She was really cool to talk from their tailgate to the gates (she had no idea where she was to go to get her tickets so I walked her and her family up to the gates). I think in my drunken state I sent a few of you guys a picture of her from my phone :)



http://coedbc.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/aj-mccarron-mom-boobs-lead1.jpg?w=600&h=868

I deleted the other picture I had of her on my phone but it was a nice picture with her decked out in Bama gear.

MILFs

[steelerfan]

Yeah, snoop, I remember you sending me AJ's mom's pic. I, of course, don't have it anymore because that would be, well - "Eric creepy".

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[steelerfan]

ESPN NCAAF - Notre Dame's Brian Kelly named AP Coach of the Year; Bill O'Brien 2nd, David Shaw 3rd, Kevin Sumlin 4th

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[JeffHCross]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH8RHiYgkHg

Full text in the spoiler below. Both the video and text from elevenwarriors.com (http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2012/12/18021/ohio-state-kerry-coombs-delivers-the-recruiting-pitch-of-the-decade).
[Inaudible] Every day. All day. Working hard to be a champion. That team that dressed in this locker room this year was special. It was not an accident that they won every game that they played and I promise you if we had the chance to play again we would win that game as well.

That team refused to lose. They would not be beaten. And it wasn't because they were the greatest players in the country. The reality is they were not. But it was because they had the kind of heart and soul that is unique in America today.

You.. you have received the invitation to be a part of that group — that fraternity. What a special thing. I want you to understand as a coaching staff, Coach Meyer has given us one charge: Go out and find the 25 best football players in the country and bring them to Ohio State. Go find the 25 best football players in the country and bring them to Ohio State!

We came here to do one thing: this right here. What is that, Ezekiel? What do we do when we do this? Do you know? Hold the crystal ball. That's the reason why you come to Ohio State. Are you going to be a first round draft pick? Maybe. You're going to have every opportunity to do that.

But you're going to have the opportunity — I promise you... I guarantee you, in fact — the opportunity to hold that crystal ball and in the process get a degree that is second to none. A university that has 52,000 students with an average ACT score of 28. You cannot find another place like this and you have been invited to join. You are truly special.

Parents, you need to understand how blessed your son is to have the opportunity to join this fraternity. If you have already joined — if you have already committed — thank you. Thank you. We're excited about his presence. We're excited about you being here. We cannot wait to coach you.

If you are one of the few guys that has not decided yet to be a Buckeye, what in the world are you waiting for? There's not another place in the country like this. You will not have another experience like this.

I want to make sure that you understand over there on that rack — that's just gear that we give to one guy — to you when you show up. When you see this video in a minute and you see our guys on gameday wearing coat and tie — here you go — coat and tie. If you need shoes, here's shoes. If you need a helmet, here's a helmet. Here's a shirt.

Coach Meyer told you it's hard and you better believe it's hard. We don't apologize for it being hard, do you understand that? We don't apologize for that one bit. In fact, you will work harder here than anybody in the country. You will be tougher here than any team in the country. We don't apologize for that. We celebrate that.

It's not going to be easy, Donovan, when you come to the Ohio State University. Why should it be? Because it's not easy to do this. It's not easy to step out and be different. It's not easy to be special. We're going to expect that you'll go to class every day. We're going to expect that you'll do things like off the campus.

And when you walk into this room — into this room — you're going to put on gear for battle. You're going to go out onto that field every day where championships are won. Not in the stadium. The stadium is where we celebrate what we do all week. But you're going to put on the gear right here and go out onto that field and that weight room and you're going to develop a championship mentality. You're going to be around guys who are just like you, who chose to come to Ohio State because they want to win a national championship. What could be better in the world than that?

Parents, some day you will sit in those bleachers, some day really soon and say, "That's my boy. Look at him. Oh my, look at him," and your heart will be filled with pride. You won't believe the changes that will happen with your soon. You won't believe it. I've seen it. I've only had the chance to be here for nine months and I will tell you — I promise you — I'm 51 years old and I've never seen anything like this. I can't wait to get here every day to be around these players and to be around these coaches to know that what we are doing is truly special. And your son has been invited to join us. What a great day. What a great day!

Those of you who have decided to join us, well, we're excited. For the rest of the day, celebrate. When you walk into that basketball arena, people will be patting you on the back and they should. They should. I promise you this, when I lay my head on the pillow each night, I ask myself one question: Coach Meyer requires us — he requires us, "Did you beat Alabama's corners coach today? Did you out-coach Alabama's corners coach today?" And if the answer is yes, good, get up tomorrow and continue it and get better. If the answer is no, then you have to ask yourself "Why not? Why not," because that's who we're chasing, right. That's who we're chasing.

We want to be the best in the country. We want to be the team — we will be the team — that everybody else says "I got to be like that," and you're going to be a part of it. So the message for you when you get here — some of you are coming in less than a month — will be to lay your head on the pillow tonight and say "Was I the best running back in the country today?" And if the answer is yes, guess what, we'll see you in camp. Join this group of people in this room and continue to work like that. If the answer is no, then you have to ask yourself "Why not?" You have to say "Why not?" You have to get up tomorrow and you have to go do it, Cam. You're going to walk into my meeting room every day, that's going to be the question I'm going to ask, so prepare yourself.

Enjoy your time at home. Enjoy the holidays. But understand that when January comes, when June comes, we are going to work. We are going to work through this.

We have a great video for you to watch today. It's a little bit of the game day experience. It's a little bit of what's coming for you. It's a little bit of what's coming for you!

I'm going to ask you again: If you've already decided to be a part of it, thank you. Thank you. If you haven't decided, what in the world are you waiting for?

You watch that video and you see yourself in that group of guys, playing on that field, breathing that air, in front of those fans and winning a championship.

Hit it, David. Let's go.